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  •  You spoke for others (1+ / 0-)
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    joe wobblie

    You're perfectly free to speak to whoever you want as an individual.  You are NOT free to speak, or give the impression that you speak, for others, without their explicit consent.  You have repeatedly called yourself a "liaison" in this essay.  Your justifications show gross disrespect for core Occupy principles of radical democracy and transparency.  If this was a war, you might have a point- but Occupy is first and foremost an experiment, an example and demonstration of a different way of organization.  You undermined that, and as a result did more harm trying to help than if you had let it fail on its own merits.

    You fucked up.  I only hope you can bring yourself to recognize that.

    •  I am so tired of Occupy Nazis telling me what (0+ / 0-)

      the rules of this "experiment" are.

      All my life I have spoken for others. I have spoken for the veteran, the war dead, the unemployed, I have spoken for the planet and on behalf of all the creatures on it.

      By your logic, no one can speak for the dead, the animals, or on behalf of anyone they have not had personal contact with and gotten their explicit consent.

      This is twisted Occupy Nazi logic that seeks to condemn opposing political views as "breaking solidarity" or some other nonsense designed to throttle much needed debate.

      The film below has been praised both by Vietnam vets and Vietnamese who fought against the U.S. as giving a true voice to their experiences, but according to you, since I did it with no ones permission, that film should never had been made.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Dec 23, 2011 at 09:02:51 PM PST

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    •  And BTW, this is war (0+ / 0-)

      class war

      This is serious business even if you think it some sort of "experiment."

      You people kill me. You're for illegal activities and "transparency" at the same time.

      Is that why you couldn't even take your weed smoking inside your tents? That wouldn't be "transparent" enough for you?

      Don't expect to build a broad mass movement. Expect to spend a lot of time in jail.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Dec 23, 2011 at 09:11:13 PM PST

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      •  We're not expecting to build a mass movement (1+ / 0-)
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        That has been attempted and failed every time, because the people in mass movements have no real connection to the movement.  They have no investment.  Mass movements get coopted and decapitated.  They get recuperated.  They turn into another wave of reformist bullshit of NGOs asking for money for their DC offices, lobbyists, politicians, bullshit piled on top of bullshit.  This happens time and time again and we're fucking sick of it.  We're not going to play that game again.  If you don't like it, fuck off.

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