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    How much does that car cost to have a tank in which the fuel doesn't leak out? (And, of course, not just the tank.)

    And, what about the fueling infrastructure? And, do you have distributed production or centralized with transportation infrastructure requirements?

    Etc ....

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    by A Siegel on Tue Dec 13, 2011 at 11:15:30 AM PST

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      Where is your non-FF grid network of solar/wind energy to power your electric car(you have one of course--doesn't everybody)
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        an EV (whether PHEV or EV) is far less a cost and less of an infrastructure burden than creating a hydrogren infrastructure.

        Electricity is incredibly fungible and doesn't care about its sourcing -- EVs make a rapid increase in intermittent renewables plus creation of a smart grid much easier due to the addition of these distributed storage systems called car batteries.

        So, how do you make the Hydrogen without using "FF"? And, well, why not use the electricity (if you are using that route) to directly power things rather than going through energy demands of making hydrogen and the infrastructure requiremenst to store/move/etc it?

        Do you honestly think that a hydrogen vehicle will, in the next 10 / 15 / 20+ years be less expensive to own and operate than a plug-in-hybrid electric flex-fuel vehicle?

        And, well, we can make the rail system electricity run -- that is a direct cut of 300,000 barrels/day possible within a decade plus an additional 2+ million via moving more cargo onto rail plus about another .75 million/day due to reduced traffice (e.g., efficiency) and reduction in repair/constructions requirements in highways/roads.  All, by the way, at a positive benefit for the economy.

        How much is this hydrogen solution you seem to suggest/pursue going to cost? When will it have a meaningful impact (500,000 bpd, for example)?  And, how cost-effective would it be vs other options?

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        by A Siegel on Tue Dec 13, 2011 at 02:14:19 PM PST

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