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  •  I think Obama worries about his re-election... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...like he worries about Iran's nuclear ambitions.  It's mostly something you have to claim you're concerned with.

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Tue Dec 13, 2011 at 06:55:24 AM PST

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    •  I wish I were as confident as you... n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

      by LordMike on Tue Dec 13, 2011 at 07:09:46 AM PST

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    •  Why wouldn't he worry about it? (1+ / 0-)
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      The thing is, there's only so much that he can do about it on a day-to-day basis, even if he wanted to do more, which he shouldn't necessarily be doing. There are indeed other people in Chicago whose concern that is. Besides, considering the biggest threat right now is Europe blowing up, it makes sense that he'd be concerned with that: it's both good policy and good politics.

      •  Obama has little sway with Europe (1+ / 0-)
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        He'd be better served working on his election to be honest.  Any 27-member coalition that can be derailed by Slovenia or Estonia isn't likely to be something a US president can influence.

        •  I'm far from an expert in this, but (1+ / 0-)
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          wouldn't you say Germany has a big influence in such matters?

          My point is not that he has some sort of big influence with what is happening, but rather that whatever he can do, he should be doing. Right now, a speech in Virginia or Ohio is far less important than doing whatever he can, however little it is, to prevent a worldwide banking run.

          Of course, if he can do something to make sure our economy has as much if not more support than it has now--a payroll tax cut extension or expansion, UI extensions, and so on--he should do that. I'd like to think that we will continue to have what we have now, and I am confident we will, but we need more. It'd be wonderful if we could get direct spending, but since that looks impossible, I'll settle for the next best options.

          •  I think it's enough to say that Obama can probably (1+ / 0-)
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            walk and chew gum at the same time. I think he has a pretty sophisticated operation and pretty well-functioning State Department under Sec. Clinton, so I have confidence that he's completely capable of both ramping up the campaign and doing what he can to stabilize the situation in Europe at the same time.

            25, originally OK-1, currently NY-8. Former swingnut.

            by okiedem on Tue Dec 13, 2011 at 07:58:29 AM PST

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            •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

              I just don't see the solution that the US brings nor the electoral impact of the success.  If Europe just keeps middling along then it's net neutral for Obama, and would pretty much assure him victory.  If he has a silver bullet, then yes he should use it, but I have no idea what the silver bullet is.

              And the longer Europe drags out, the less of a threat it is to re-election.  Let's face it, if Europe hasn't imploded come debate time, its hard to see how it could negatively effect him.  A European implosion might immediately hit 401(k)'s, but the lag effect on employment I'd think would be a little longer out.

              Then again, my belief is Europe is fine, Obama wins in a landslide and the Phillies win the World Series in 2012, so maybe I'm overly optimistic.

            •  I don't doubt that. (0+ / 0-)

              Again, I'm trying to say that an additional speech in a swing state isn't nearly as important as trying to prevent Europe from collapsing, as limited as his influence is in that realm. He will have plenty of time to campaign as the face of his eventual opponent becomes clearer. He's worried about it, sure, and he will do what he can, but right now, it's on the back burner compared to other stuff.

          •  The speeches are more relevant (0+ / 0-)

            Electorally he can't win with Europe, so why try.  I also don't understand what people think he could do.

            I think there is a bigger risk of his involvement if something bad happens, he's linked.  In the event of a positive outcome, there's really no framing it as an Obama success so its all risk, no reward.

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