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  •  Well yeah. (3+ / 0-)
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    Your diary claims that the port is the economic gateway of the west. Hard to see how that's possible if essential goods don't come through there.

    Just because a good isn't immediately consumable doesn't mean it isn't essential.

    Shutting down the port is a terrible idea. Blocking efforts to disenfranchise people is a much better idea.

    •  A better tactical idea. (0+ / 0-)

      Not a better strategic idea.  Spending all our time putting out brush fires is how we've lost so much ground already.  It's time for the people to show that our ownership of this country is not merely notional, but is a tangible, physical fact.

      A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

      by Troubadour on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 07:40:31 AM PST

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      •  So securing the right to vote is putting out a (1+ / 0-)
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        brush fire to you?  If that's the case, then it's obvious that you take your right to vote for granted. Those of us who couldn't vote when the country was founded, not so much.

        •  How is this an actual dilemma? (0+ / 0-)

          If we have Occupy Wall Street, we can't register people to vote?  

          A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

          by Troubadour on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 08:05:25 AM PST

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          •  Why are you grasping at straws? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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            •  A question best addressed to you. (0+ / 0-)

              Why exactly are you threatened by Americans standing up for themselves?

              A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

              by Troubadour on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 08:31:18 AM PST

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          •  I've seen no indication that Occupy is Even (4+ / 0-)
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            ...contemplating registering people to vote, let alone advocating voting for Obama and the Democrats.

            So far, they have, though, kept their rhetorical attacks directed at Wall Street, Corporations, etc, without directly attacking Obama and the Party, or explicitly calling for electoral boycott or splitting the vote, either, it seems, for the most part, so I have lent some support, as has even the Prez.

            Occupy seems to display a remarkable degree of...restraint, in that regard, given that many or most of the groups and individuals actually involved seem to be of the anti-Democratic left milieu.

            I recently saw a report that an Occupy group in...Iowa? or someplace, had "occupied" an Obama for President storefront office, in a mall, or something.

            If that kind of jive persists, I won't support it, and will feel compelled to criticize it, as I do here, when people bring anti-Democratic attacks.

            If they want to target Republicans, and even Blue Dogs, that's fine with me.

            They don't even have to explicitly support Obama and "teh Dems", but to whatever extent they resort to, or even insinuate an electoral boycott or splitting line, I will consider that a very serious counter-revolutionary...error.

            Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

            by Radical def on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 12:19:55 PM PST

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            •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

              But that's not really the subject.

              A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

              by Troubadour on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 06:52:36 PM PST

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