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  •  careful your bigot is showing (1+ / 0-)
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    Hip-hop (of which Rap is a subset) is a very eccletic genre.

    I'd put Gangster's Paradise up against any peice of music you care to produce when it comes to emotional impact.

    They got the situation, they got me facin'
    I can't live a normal life, I was raised by the strip
    So I gotta be down with the hood team
    Too much television watchin' got me chasin' dreams
    I'm an educated fool with money on my mind
    Got my ten in my hand and a gleam in my eye
    I'm a loc'ed out gangsta, set-trippin banger
    And my homies is down, so don't arouse my anger, fool
    Death ain't nuthin but a heart beat away
    I'm livin life do-or-die-a, what can I say?
    I'm twenty-three now, but will I live to see twenty-fow'?
    The way things are goin' I don't know

    Rap at its best is poetry set to music, just because some of it is mass produced garbage does not change the fact that it's a perfectly valid musical form.

    While like any other musical form rap can be commercialized crap it can and often is thought provocking social commentary, often even what might seem to be mass market crap can disguise real messages often counter to their surface meaning.

    Even something as supposedly trashy and vulgur as Eminem's "My name is" is laced with biting social commentary cutting deep to the heart of of our societal disfunction.

    What is music after all but a way to communicate emotion and tell stories.

    Of course once you leave the mainstream it gets even more provocative, consider.

    and

    Now tell me again how Rap ain't music.

    •  Not liking Rap is bigotry? (0+ / 0-)

      I think not.

      2.1 million Texans voted Democratic in the 2010 midterms. How many people in YOUR state voted D in 2010?

      by Rick Aucoin on Wed Dec 14, 2011 at 11:38:38 AM PST

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      •  Claiming that it's not music (0+ / 0-)

        Suggests such.

        I don't like country, but you won't see me claiming it shouldn't be considered music.

        Also context matters, Considering this is in a thread about the bigotry of one elitist, to then come around and try to discount a genre that is primarily the product of black culture definitely reinforces the suggestion.

        Btw like that this is your only take away from my reply and you provide no justification other than personal taste for why it shouldn't be considered music.

    •  Those are fine examples of Rap, but like poetry (0+ / 0-)

      not everything that is written down in verse--whatever format you wish to ascribe--rises to the level of poetry. I am not alone in thinking rap is not music. I really don't know what it is. Having this opinion is not racist--wasn't Blondie one of the first artists to rap? Rappers, is that a word, are most certainly artists, just not musicians in my mind. But that is only my opinion much like the opinion given by Prof. Vendler in the sense there is no objective criteria as to what constitutes music or poetry.

      Some...spoke with strong and powerful voices, which proclaimed in accents trumpet-tongued,"I am beautiful, and I rule". Others murmured in tones scarcely audible, but exquisetly soft and sweet, "I am little, and I am beloved"." Armandine A.L. Dupin

      by Kvetchnrelease on Thu Dec 15, 2011 at 01:38:41 PM PST

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