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  •  i have a PhD (16+ / 0-)

    and I don't particularly trust my caste either. I don't think we're worse than anyone else particularly - so in that sense I could agree that knee-jerk prejudices against intellectuals in politics are unjustified - but I don't think we're especially better either, at least when it comes to running a society.

    I think that one honest part of working-class resentment of college is that colleges and universities are significant contributors to the process of pulling smarter and more talented people out of poorer communities and plugging them into big cities and, more generally, the machinery of global capitalism. Small communities pay a price for having their best and brightest not stay around to be mayors, farm owners, business owners, etc. Of course that's mostly water under the bridge now that we're all subjects of the global hegemony - there are no self-sufficient local communities any more, or very few anyway - but I suspect that tearing families apart and cherry picking the local talent away is one historical basis for this prejudice.

    •  You have a point... (14+ / 0-)

      ...however, to be sure, it's not like those bright souls were yanked kicking and screaming from their idyllic little small towns. The old saw about "how you gonna keep 'em down on the farm" speaks to the fact that, once a young person's horizons were broadened by education or travel, they generally did not want to return to the all-too-often stultifying environs of a rural community. I don't know how to solve this problem unless you advocate pulling a Chairman Mao and send graduate students to the country to do farm work, to work the bourgeoise taint off them and get them back to the soil...

      I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

      by eataTREE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 08:23:21 AM PST

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      •  it's true, and not just for intellectuals (3+ / 0-)
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        and will continue to be so I suppose. Sigh. Maybe another argument for socialism in here somewhere.

      •  It isn't a 'problem' at all (1+ / 0-)
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        Smart educated people like the company of other smart educated people and like to live in nice places that aren't out in the middle of nowhere.

        I mean, it might be a little elitist, but uneducated people don't really have a lot to offer educated people socially or economically. I mean, what do you talk about?

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        by Sparhawk on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 10:25:42 AM PST

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        •  Dude. (8+ / 0-)

          Every time you say shit like that, you cost Obama fifty votes. Seriously.

          Even though I have a job in the 'elite economy' in the city, I live out in the sticks, mostly in the company of people whom the modern economic order left behind long ago. It depresses me to see you join in dismissing their human worth.

          Among the virtues you will find among the people who "don't really have a lot to offer" are thrift, nonpretension, resiliency, pragmatism, and humility. I'd say that I found those virtues among the well-off folks whom I work with in the city, except I'd be lying. A soft life lacks opportunities to temper the soul.

          Either we bring the disposessed into the modern order, or the modern order will fall. By being dismissive of ordinary Americans, you are choosing option B.

          I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

          by eataTREE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 10:48:46 AM PST

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          •  I'm College educated (BFD) (4+ / 0-)

            and my husband isn't.  He grew up on a farm 'in the middle of nowhere' and I would rather have one man like him in any kind of crisis than a thousand 'educated but useless' types.  There are indeed different kinds of education and a resourceful, practical man who grew up on a farm has been educated in things you can't learn either in a classroom or from a book.  Santorum is an idiot who apparently has learned nothing useful either from life or his formal education.  No serious person ought to listen to a thing he has to say. He really should go join a cloistered religious order and leave the rest of us alone.

        •  This attitude is a problem though (8+ / 0-)

          I'm from a small town. I live in a small town. By many standards my current address is "in the middle of nowhere." My neighbors elected Michele Bachmann to Congress three times. Many of them are farmers.

          I earned four degrees, lived in Washington, DC and other large cities in my 20s, and have seen most of the US as well as a few other countries. As a college professor I'm by most definitions part of this "elite."

          But I have all kinds of friends, ranging from brilliant academics to equally (but differently) brilliant people with GEDs. Education does not necessarily equate with "smartness" and I've known lots of educated folks that were assholes. My "uneducated" friends know all sorts of stuff I don't, and I'd like to think we enjoy learning from each other out here in the middle of nowhere.

          It's the self-styled "educated elites" that are the problem actually.  The issue isn't being from some "elite," but rather being elitist. Condescending. Dismissive.  That's what people hate-- and I don't blame them.

        •  Totally agree (0+ / 0-)

          Especially in the south.

          Once you go outside I-285 (the Atlanta perimeter), it gets backwards, racist, and very republican very fast.

          It doesn't mean EVERYONE in a small town or rural setting is an idiot, it just means that the idiot-per-capita is much too high for my comfort out in the sticks.

          To be a Republican, you have to believe that our economic problems are caused by the poor having too much money and the rich not having enough.

          by Tommy Jones the Band on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 11:56:47 AM PST

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        •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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          A lot of well educated people prefer to live in the suburbs, exurbs, or country.  And they seem to have no problem at all talking to the unwashed peasants the non-college types.

          As for what to talk about?  Oh, how about, y'know, politics?  And how the despised lefties and elitists brought the average American things like a minimum wage and a weekend?  Or if that's too much, maybe a good book that isn't by Tim LaHaye?  Or just the kids?  Or the weather?  Or the cute thing you dog/cat/grandkid did last night?

    •  And it's not just small communities (4+ / 0-)

      that have lost potential leaders and important human resources for social building and improvement, but developing countries as well. I think most of the medical doctors I've seen in the last 20 years have been from other countries originally. Lately they have obviously been American born, but equally obviously their parents were immigrants from, mostly, places such as India, Pakistan, the Phillipines or Southeast Asia--places that could have used their intelligence, ambition and accomplishment. I don't blame them on a personal level, but on a social level it is rather sad.

      Oh, and wasn't it Eric Hoffer who said something about "Give intellectuals anything they want, except power"?

      If your internal map of reality doesn't match external conditions, bad things happen.--Cambias

      by pimutant on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 10:01:35 AM PST

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