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  •  well, we clearly suck at that. (0+ / 0-)

    is it the metaphor you object to -- it's your metaphor after all -- or just having it turned back on you?

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 04:15:38 PM PST

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    •  It's just meaningless schoolyard taunting. (0+ / 0-)

      "I know you are but what am I?"

      Par for the course when trying to discuss Obama's record with his supporters.  It's like discussing dinosaurs with fundies.  We have different things that can't be reasonably questioned.  For me, it's the scientific consensus surrounding radiation and carbon dating.  For them, it's what their pastor says the bible says.  If they come into conflict, they just keep saying, over and over, "But the bible says this," as though it could persuade me.

      And then they say things like, "For you, science is religion."

      Same process, same results.  It cannot be questioned that Obama shares your values, so any information which contradicts that idea is simply discarded.  For me, it cannot be questioned that Obama has his own ideas on how to run a country, and they might not be mine.  And any argument which hinges on the idea that Obama must share my beliefs and priorities is discarded.  Because what's the mechanism there?  Why isn't he allowed to disagree with me or you?

      The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

      "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

      by Punditus Maximus on Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 04:22:50 PM PST

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      •  i am a dinosaur fundamentalist (0+ / 0-)

        i don't like these newfangled dinosaurs like birds and lizards.

        if you want to point me to where i said you should believe something because Obama said it, i'd be curious to read it.  the fact that you don't care for the independent reasons why i think Obama's ultimate conclusions make sense (most of the time) doesn't mean that i don't believe them.  to the extent you think you're reading thru something to get to the root, that they're just smokescreen, you aren't and they're not.  

        do you mean cannot be questioned "if" Obama shares values?  If you meant to say "that," you're confirming that you're acting based on your own prejudices and discounting evidence.  Obama is free to disagree with me, and sometimes does.  Those examples don't necessarily add up to his having different values.  people differ on how to apply a set of values, and sometimes different values conflict.  the term i've used to describe him most often has been 'reasonable,' and as such, do not provide a  good enough reason to say his values are different from what he says they are.  not all decisions of his i find reasonable, but enough of them are that the point stands.  

        "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

        by Loge on Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 04:41:43 PM PST

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