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  •  Yawn (21+ / 0-)

    What's the difference, if both parties are destroying our social safety net and the Bill of Rights?

    It would be helpful to remember that deep disappointment and anger at Democratic actions is not satisfactorily answered by pointing at Republicans.  That doesn't help anything.

    When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 14, 2011 at 04:09:36 PM PST

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    •  But Neither Is (3+ / 0-)
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      Senor Unoball, akmk, indie17

      .....deep disappointment and anger at Democratic actions satisfactorily answered by trying to draw outlandish, dishonest false equivalencies with Republicans.  The differences are ENORMOUS even when the disappointment is high.  

      •  What outlandish false equivalencies? (7+ / 0-)

        Have Democrats not caved again, revealing the populist rhetoric to be as hollow as critics predicted?  Is NDAA not trying to replace the Fourth Amendment, with Democratic sponsorship?  Is income inequality not rising ever higher under a Democratic administration?

        Please be specific when you use words like "outlandish" or "dishonest" or "false equivalencies."

        When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

        by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 14, 2011 at 04:54:46 PM PST

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        •  Now You're Adding Disingenuous (0+ / 0-)

          And since you want "specific", this:

          What's the difference, if both parties are destroying our social safety net and the Bill of Rights?

          is the outlandish, dishonest false equivalency I was referring to.  The idea that the Democratic party is destroying our safety net is a flagrant LIE as bold and as stupid as anything coming out of Newt Perry's mouth.  

          And trying to pass off that particular lie (destruction of the safety net) while complaining about a reported (not even confirmed!) deal whose main motivation would be to EXTEND a safety net of $1000 or so per month for the average American family and prevent a recession (!) is stunningly moronic and hypocritical and deeply,profoundly dishonest.

          Hey, you asked.

          •  Do you forget the debt limit debate? (4+ / 0-)
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            Obama was salivating to agree to cuts in Social Security and Medicare, and as recently as the other night's 60 Minutes interview was still talking about deficit reduction -- the recent Beltway context of which is very clear.  

            And the president's executive power record is well-documented and frighteningly aggressive.  NDAA is only the very latest example.  

            Before you call something a lie, you should get your facts straight.  Otherwise you look merely uninformed.

            When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

            by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 14, 2011 at 05:54:52 PM PST

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            •  Ah, so when you said (0+ / 0-)

              "both parties are destroying our safety net" what you really meant was...."one party is waging all-out war on our safety net while the other party has talked about - but not actually implemented - some minor nibbling around the edges"

              I stand by my conclusion that you are intentionally lying.

          •  Obama has just said he would not veto the military (2+ / 0-)
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            bill which will allow indefinite detention of American citizens that the government claims are terrorists.  We will have no bill of rights!

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