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    if we want to win back socially conservative voters, we must be socially conservative. If you really want to win the racist vote, we must end all programs that help anyone who is not white, and explicitly make sure and say that only white people get benefits.

    I do not support that, but I do not see any other way to get their votes.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 04:40:34 PM PST

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    •  I hope your comment is pure snark. (1+ / 0-)
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      Because, really.

    •  No, if we want to win back socially conservative (0+ / 0-)

      voters, we have to end all programs that help the disadvantaged based on race.  Where are the special programs and government set-asides for poor white people?  The Democratic Party has made many mistakes since the McGovern wing took over.  One of them is to adopt the myth of "white privilege."  If the Democratic Party really wants to take the wind of out the conservative argument, they need to start treating all disadvantaged people the same, regardless of race.  Special programs and set-asides should be based on one's family's access to capital and economic social networks.  That way, families who have been the poorest for the most generations receive priority, regardless of race.

      •  No (0+ / 0-)

        Look at it this way:
        "Why should that black guy get anything? He's lazy and deserves nothing! I work hard! Make sure people like him work hard too!"

        The act of helping black people can set off these emotions. Treating them equally is EXACTLY what causes the divide.

        Sorry, but the only way is to either make sure that nonwhites are not helped, like the Dixiecrats did during the New Deal, or accept that racial equality and winning over racial conservatives simply cannot co-exist.

        People panic too much on this site.

        by thematt523 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 06:50:17 PM PST

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        •  I grew up in a family that was one step above (2+ / 0-)
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          white trash, which is why I know the white working class very well.  

          The members of the white working class are angry because they feel that the Democratic Party forgot about them after the McGovern wing took control.   I know that Democrats have not forgotten about the white working class. They just have a difficult time communicating with this lower class demographic group.  I also know that Democrats are frustrated that white working class voters vote Republican, but you are not going to get anywhere by insulting the members of this group.  Calling someone a racist because he/she does not feel that being white affords him/her any privileges in society is not a way to win friends.   The Democrats lost this group when they started to favor social and environmental issues over the bread-and-butter issues that dominated the Democratic Party from the New Deal up to the Civil Rights era.  That's when those who had not made it out of the working class got stuck in the working class.

          Look at this way, most of these people earn just enough to not qualify for public assistance of any kind, but not enough make ends meet every month.  They have never had health or dental insurance.  The only time that they take their children to see a doctor is when they are too sick for old-fashioned home remedies to work. Their children never see a dentist unless it is for a tooth that has decayed to the point where it needs to be extracted.  They pray every day that their children will make it through high school.  The only path for their children to go to college is via military service, and that has been one heck of a gamble for the last ten years.  Of course, these people are pissed that someone might be getting public assistance.  The government makes sure that a person on public assistance has a place to stay, food to eat, heat during the winter, and regular medical and dental care for his/her children.  It is the too rich to be dirt poor, but too poor to be middle class demographic that gets the crappy end of the stick in this country, and it is a demographic in which it is easy to get stuck for many generations.

          •  Okay (0+ / 0-)

            But if we abandon social issues, who's going to fight for them?

            People panic too much on this site.

            by thematt523 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 09:27:45 PM PST

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            •  Maslow taught us that one's safety and security (0+ / 0-)

              needs need to be met before one can move on to worrying about social belonging.  Any group that ignores another group's safety and security needs is going to find it difficult to socially bind with the group that is struggling to survive.  

              The white working class votes Republican not because they believe that those who are control the GOP are going to treat them well.  They vote Republican because they are afraid that the Democrats are going to screw them over worse than the GOP.   Both of the major parties ignore this demographic group's financial needs.  

              Marx claimed that religion was the opiate of the masses.  Religion is the only thing that the white working class has left to sooth the pain of daily survival.  It is also the only economic support network that the white working class has left because they are invisible to the government (i.e., too rich to be dirt poor and too poor to be middle class).  Churches make sure that their congregation members do not go without heat in the winter or food when they are hungry.  When one needs help repairing one's home, one finds that other church members are more than willing to roll up their sleeves and lend a hand.  In essence, the church does for the white working class what Democrats have not for the last forty years.    The GOP has learned how to use this over-dependence on religion as a weapon against the Democratic Party.

              •  A thousand times no. (0+ / 0-)

                They vote GOP because they want black people to suffer, and they are willing to sacrifice their health and children's lives to make that happen.

                You have to understand where racists come from.  They are perfectly capable of seeing their interests and voting for them.

                The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

                "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

                by Punditus Maximus on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 11:31:52 AM PST

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          •  And they are against (0+ / 0-)

            unions, the Public Option, single payer, adequate funding for high school, and Pell Grants.

            You can't do anything with these people.  They want to be miserable and die and take us with them.

            The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

            "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

            by Punditus Maximus on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 11:31:00 AM PST

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      •  We can't "win back" socially conservative voters. (0+ / 0-)

        They are the enemy of everything good.  That's what "socially conservative" means.

        If you're attracting socially conservative voters, either things are really bad on the fascist end, or you're doing it wrong.

        The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

        "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

        by Punditus Maximus on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 11:30:07 AM PST

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