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  •  never say never. (4+ / 0-)
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    If a building is burning you don't give up on saving whoever can be saved.  

    Regardless of "too late," we need to do everything we can starting ASAP, because whatever happens, that will be better than doing nothing or giving up.

    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Sun Dec 18, 2011 at 06:14:31 PM PST

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    •  Agreed on doing something. (3+ / 0-)
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      I guess my thinking these days is that we shouldn't really expect that something will be done top-down.  (While we can't rule that out, we can't just be hoping governments will get their acts together.)

      So that leaves individual and community action...

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      by barath on Sun Dec 18, 2011 at 06:29:13 PM PST

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      •  sure we should! Never give up! (1+ / 0-)
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        Dammit, OCCUPY Congress!  Clog the place up so they practically have to trip over all the protesters sitting-in in the halls and in their officers.  

        This isn't an either/or, it's an and/both.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sun Dec 18, 2011 at 06:49:30 PM PST

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        •  Maybe we need an occupy land as well... (2+ / 0-)
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          Tying together with your comment below about planting things in public space - we should get folks to start planing crops (for fruit/veggies, for biofuel, for whatever) on any public land we can find: by the highway, in road medians, in public parks, etc.  If enough people do it at a large enough scale, governments will give up trying to remove the crops.

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          by barath on Sun Dec 18, 2011 at 07:34:39 PM PST

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          •  planting... n/t (1+ / 0-)
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            by barath on Sun Dec 18, 2011 at 07:35:05 PM PST

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          •  grow food gardens at foreclosed houses. (2+ / 0-)
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            That would be the first thing.  Neighbors getting together, tearing up the lawns (starting in the back yards so it doesn't attract hostile attention) and growing food crops: veggies, fruit, whatever.  

            Community gardens.  And then use the front yards for kids' play spaces, always with a parent hanging out to keep an eye open.  

            "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 12:20:23 AM PST

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            •  I started doing that a bit... (1+ / 0-)
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              Tore up some plywood and put in a garden.  The soil was awful, but we got some plants going.  Still, there's the issue of lead in the soil - I'm hoping to learn how to remediate soil.  (I know the basics - using hyperaccumulators - but it doesn't seem that there's a great process out there...)

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              by barath on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 12:27:26 AM PST

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              •  that's the major issue: lead. (0+ / 0-)

                From scraping paint when repainting houses, and from automobile exhaust fallout.

                One possible way to deal with that is to plant everything in 5-gallon buckets with compost and manure and known clean soil.  If this is done right, you can get decent crop density.  And best of all, the buckets can be moved with a hand truck in the event of hostile action against the garden.  

                Though, first document the fact that the target property is being neglected, for example by photographing its condition before you get started.  This will prevent you getting a bill for "killing off the lawn" below the buckets.  

                "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                by G2geek on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 01:50:20 AM PST

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              •  Plenty of great processes out there! (0+ / 0-)

                I'm actually writing a diary series on ecological agriculture and permaculture (although not teaching it directly). The second diary went up today. I would read the first one, watch the videos, and then start on the second one.

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