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  •  And how would you characterize Ron Paul's record? (1+ / 0-)
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    Mixed?

    So many stupid people in the world, and me with only two fists.

    by phenry on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 11:24:59 AM PST

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    •  My (obvious?) point, (4+ / 0-)

      on which I believe we all should be able to agree, is that people who traffic in racism, whether it's a neocon like Kirchik or a paleocon like Paul, should be spurned and called out by liberals.

      Agreed? Good.

      •  Well, I dunno. (4+ / 0-)
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        What do James Kirchick's views on foreign policy have to do with what he has written about racist and hateful statements that appeared in Ron Paul's newsletters in the 1980s and 90s?

        Or perhaps a better question is, why do you believe James Kirchick's foreign policy views affect the accuracy of MB's characterization of him as a widely published journalist?

        So many stupid people in the world, and me with only two fists.

        by phenry on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 11:49:12 AM PST

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        •  They don't-- (0+ / 0-)

          as I said above, but as I also say above, they do point to what is motivating Kirkik to go after him -- this is the neocon establishment striking back.

          And I've also wandered onto a different but related topic: the fact that people who traffic in anti-Muslim bigotry -- whether it's Marty Peretz, Abe Foxman, or Jamie Kirchik -- are still considered respectable.

          •  Why do Kirchick's motives matter (2+ / 0-)
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            if his reporting is accurate?

            I've written many diaries about Ron Paul's newsletters myself. Do my motives matter? Do MB's motives for writing this one matter?

            So many stupid people in the world, and me with only two fists.

            by phenry on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 12:05:56 PM PST

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          •  why do you presume to know his motives (0+ / 0-)

            in this instance, based on other views he holds?  Kirchick is, I believe, gay, and Ron Paul voted for DOMA.  Maybe it's possible to be a foreign policy neoconservative and not support virulent anti-black racism here at home.  Can't Kirchick's foreign policy views be merely wrong?

            "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

            by Loge on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 12:57:59 PM PST

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      •  I still don't think my very narrow... (7+ / 0-)

        ...description fails. But I take your point, David. I just hope that every future mention of Paul that doesn't refer to him as a racist, heterosexist, xenophobe gets the same scrutiny as my description of Kirchick.

        The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

        by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 11:56:22 AM PST

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        •  I'm sure you're weary of (3+ / 0-)

          people policing your words, but I spose that's part of the price you pay for being a respected voice of conscience around here.

          It was probably unfair of me to jump on your benign description of him, and for that I apologize, but it triggered my anger over what you can probably tell is an important issue for me, and for you too I'm sure: the fact that people who both traffic in anti-Muslim bigotry and support racist policies that have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims are still held in esteem, including by many liberals. (Not you.)

          I think some things do should disqualify you for office and lead liberals to reject you; I've made it clear that I think Paul's newsletters, which he initially defended are one such thing. I wish anti-Muslim imperialism were another.

           

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