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  •  One thing is certain... (13+ / 0-)

    Ther are going to be a lot of pissed off newbie activists if the Democratic challenger is selected by the party behind closed doors.

    There has to be a primary or the enthusiasm level will drop way down. Wisconsin is still, at heart, an optimistic people who want to feel good about the process. There are hundreds of thousands who engaged because they didn't like having things jammed down their throats by Walker. If the DPW does the same, it will be ugly.

    "A writer should write with his eyes and a painter paint with his ears"...Gertrude Stein

    by Giles Goat Boy on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 04:21:06 PM PST

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    •  The decisions made behind (6+ / 0-)

      closed doors will likely still be brought out into the light of day before anything is a done deal.

      But you will see small tests. Who is talking at a particular meeting? Which two key dems do you see walking together at a function? Just by watching, I can speculate one set of Gov/Lt Gov combinations. There are other little, subtle "run up the flagpole" ideas, but I doubt anyone will get intense until we know that there's reason to fight.

      I don't see, however, that any selection process requires a primary. Lots is done with consensus. That isn't all bad.

      One good reason to have a primary is tactical: to get free publicity that the other side won't get. I know I don't want a divisive primary. I think the more joined and locked-arm we look, the better.

      You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else. -- Sir Winston Churchill

      by bleeding heart on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 04:36:08 PM PST

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    •  Only if the Primary is all Dem, which it won't be. (7+ / 0-)

      One of the many things that pisses me off about the tactic of running  Republicans in the Democrat's primary (which you know they will do again) is that it also robs the Democrats of their right to use their OWN primary in the way it was intended - to ask left-leaning people all throughout the state who they should pick as their candidate to promote.

      The danger with what you're talking about is that primaries don't need to be won by a majority - they only need to be won by a plurality.  If there's hypothetically, four Dems running and one fake Dem that's really a Republican, for a total of 5 candidates, then it's possible for the Repubs to stuff the vote and have their Republican win with merely 21% of the total vote.  Given Wisconsin's open primaries and the fact that there's going to be no Republican primary as they know they'll be running Walker, The more (actual) Democrats there are in the primary the fewer and fewer voters the Republicans will need to crash the Dem's election to  steal the recall via primary before the real recall vote even happens.  All they have to do is be saavy enough to run the numbers and realize this and make sure they only have one Republican in the race versus the multiple Democrats, so as to consolidate their fake-dem votes and win the plurality.

      The more Dems that are running, the smaller and smaller the percentage is that the fake Dem needs to win the plurality.

      And the only defense I can think of if they try this is the really ugly tactic of becoming just as unethical as they are by doing the same thing in reverse and running a fake Dem in the Republican primary against Walker.  By making there be a threat to steal their primary from them, if gives the Republican voters who would otherwise cross the aisle to vote in the Dem's primary a good reason to avoid doing that, as they now have their own primary to defend and can't afford to leave the participation in that primary low.

      It's dirty pool.  I hate it, but if there ends up being a real Democratic primary because it really is unknown which candidate they will run, and the Republicans add a fake Dem to it,  There isn't any legal recourse to say "get this liar the hell out of our primary dammit so we can have a real primary."  The only recourse is the one I laid out above  - to discourage Republicans from voting in the Dem's primary by giving them the same threat to worry about in their own primary.  I would rather that neither side resort to this, because if the Dems have to do this in retaliation to mitigate the threat posed by the Republican fake Dem, you know the media response will be to not bother telling the whole story and instead just condense it to "see, both sides are just as evil here".  They won't tell the truth that one side initiated the attack and the other side did it as the only defense they had against that attack, and would not have done it had the attack not been initiated.

      Be careful what you wish for.  You might get it.  Lots of Dems in the primary leads to the nightmare scenario I mentioned above.

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