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  •  I wouldn't say (4+ / 0-)
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    that "the 1% will willingly stab itself in the back" . They are not a sufficiently coherent interest group to do this. What coherency they have is by and large, what the ALEC bloc has provided them and it works best on issues of obvious mutual benefit... like minimizing their tax liabilities at the expense of the 99%.

    "The 1%" is a mass of factions which will happily throw each other under the bus for temporary short term advantage.

    The insurance companies will provide legal representation on the lawsuits they think they can win. On the legal issues where they can NOT win because their clients have screwed the pooch by the numbers, they'll sue their own clients when it is more profitable to do so.

    Profit for an insurance company means minimizing claims payouts, and the company that screws you in an effort to avoid paying for the health care you bought from them will just as happily screw the city you live in who bought coverage from them to protect it from their mistakes.

    Peak Oil is NOW! Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

    by alizard on Fri Dec 23, 2011 at 05:44:42 PM PST

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    •  I guess I was wandering close to CT territory. (1+ / 0-)
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      But it does make me wonder if the Occupy movement is causing more coherency on the other side.  Or is it possible that the right wing's fervent belief in the dead hand of the marketplace so entrenched because that dead hand IS working for them?

      Behind the curtain, we see glimpses of Koch brothers, ALEC, a great RW Wurlitzer noise machine, interlocking directorates with mutual country club memberships and so on... It is possible that all this is coordinated by a common ideology and mutually accepted (rather than agreed upon) goals.

      Greedy people making decisions for the benefit of greedy people which also happen, for the most part, to benefit the class the greedy people belong to.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Fri Dec 23, 2011 at 06:08:30 PM PST

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      •  very possibly (3+ / 0-)
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        all of the above with what's going on as a function of viewpoint, i.e. where you are in the "it just grew (like any other cancer)" 1% noise-generating fungal colony.  To some it looks like an army, to others, it looks like anarchy, to most, I suspect it looks a lot like herding cars.

        However, the most important thing about the top 0.0001%, particularly the ones who got their money via centuries-old fortunes, is that in terms of the traditional goals of aristocracy, they have lived in a parasitic bubble for so long that they see the real world as an abstraction that doesn't have much to do with them anymore.

        IOW, they are functionally incompetent, and history shows that when an elite gets to that point, either they get replaced via invasion or revolution, or they take their entire society down into social / economic / ecosystem collapse.

        The traditional goals of aristocracy is for the aristocratic families to accumulate more wealth, to cooperate with others of their class to accumulate more power to deal with the peasants, and to pass this wealth to their children and grandchildren in a world with enough social stability that their descendants can enjoy that wealth.

        What they are doing instead is killing off their entire population of hosts worldwide so they can sell off the parts. Implementing "fuck the peasants, we don't need them" by policies making it impossible for a technological society to continue to exist may kill the peasants. It will kill them, but quite possibly, too late to do the survivors among us in the 99% any good.

        Of course they're good at telling politicians what to do, that's what being an aristocracy is all about, especially when they've corrupted a system to the point where vote-selling is all that's left. Buying off Mother Nature is not as easy.

        The minor good news here is that since they in general are NOT smart enough to understand their class interests, their factions can be played against each other towards their mutual destruction.

        Which is preferable to ours.

        Peak Oil is NOW! Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Fri Dec 23, 2011 at 07:47:17 PM PST

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