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  •  Yes, apparently (2+ / 0-)
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    eataTREE, kurious

    that's why the CIA got the NYPD nicely set up to surveil the entire metropolitan area using all their methods and equipment . . . .

    •  I'm trying to fathom the logic whereby a (3+ / 0-)

      warrant to search the entire city of New York issues "upon probable cause".

      "Oh, you know those New Yorkers, they're always high as fuck. Sounds like probable cause to spy on everybody to me! Gimme my pen." -- Some judge, apparently...

      Of course there is the horrible possibility that no warrant was even obtained, because spying on someone from a helicopter using a camera out of a James Bond flick doesn't count as spying on them. Ye gads, I think I need to switch to kittens in Christmas hats now.

      I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

      by eataTREE on Sat Dec 24, 2011 at 10:06:37 AM PST

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      •  I don't think there was any logic (2+ / 0-)
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        eataTREE, wsexson

        involved, other than the MIC saw 9-11 as a good excuse to justify a huge expenditure of $$s, and setting up the survellience system was a fairly safe way of doing that (insofar as most people either don't know or care)

      •  Sometimes you have to destroy the protections (3+ / 0-)
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        eataTREE, wsexson, chuckvw

        in order to protect. Or something.

      •  Is this a search? (0+ / 0-)

        They are looking at the outside of houses, buildings, etc at what is visible in plain sight to any private citizen who chooses to walk, drive, or fly using infrared goggles.

        In the same way, would it be a search if the police drove around with sensitive mass spectrometers looking for trace amounts of methamphetamine precursors in the air and using them to track down meth labs in houses and buildings?

        What about looking for anomalous electric bills and using that to identify indoor marijuana farms with grow lamps?

        What about mounting cameras all over a city to photograph license plates and using OCR to build up a huge database of where every car in the city is at every moment?

        All of these are not searches in the traditional sense, but they are far more invasive than the traditional plain sight doctrine that is allowed under the Fourth Amendment without a warrant.  How we should handle them is a very complicated issue.

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