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  •  Weak argument ever against libertarianism.. (0+ / 0-)

    The best I have seen is from biologists. So what would you saiy of Noam Chomski's Libertarian socialistic model?  I actually think its a wonderful system that would have some issues but could be overcome by shared burden of all groups such as jobs that are unwanted.  Or even  technologically could help make trash pickup clean, safe and nice.. etc..  I think what you have is a narrow view of libertarian viewpoint. Take away the Assholian economics and insert socialism and  the idea  that hierarchy is bad and force unnecessary and I think you have a good political system.. we are not talking here of Ayn Rand form of libertarianism or even Ron Pauls.. you have maligned all forms of  libertarianism.. better for you to be specific so as to  better make your case and talk not about libertarinism and rather Ron Pauls philosophy..

    Did you even know that the first socialists called themselves libertarinists?  Its true.. American libertarianism is far different in its evolution than the Europian model.. and you just maligned the whole thing.. sorry you have no argument unless you get specific...

    Philosopher Roderick T. Long say's libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.

    Communal cooperatives can work however it only works for those who desire it too.. so a multitude of systems just like scientific theories must be allowed to flourish in a free sociably.. this is true libertarianism..  in fact  Biologically the whole and the parts must exist for cohesive function to occur..  

    "Obama, the change that leads to indefinite detention and the abrogation of the Constitution! Yes He Can!"

    by hangingchad on Sat Dec 24, 2011 at 02:11:42 AM PST

    •  Not all libertarians in the US even favor Rand ECO (1+ / 0-)
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      That's a bit of a misnomer.  Granted, there are a crap ton of anarcho capitalists among them, but that's only part of it.  The other part of it is railing against rules prohibiting the sale of food (ie the food safety groups) because it's been used to screw over food cart vendors by the brick and mortar business and protect their turf.  Or say the libertarian farmer out in VA that is completely organic and sustainable yet not allowed to label his stuff as safe or organic by the FDA because it's all free range (animals are mixed in the same areas) and he slaughters them out in the open air rather in en mass.

      A good portion of the Libertarian hatred for regulations comes from the right place.  That regulations unfairly hurt and disrupt poor people and those on the bottom of the economic food chain rather than those at the top.  And those at the top can always buy and manipulate the state anyways so those rules either work in their favor or don't even hurt them.

      The problem is that true libertarians are an odd breed.  When viewed from the right they'd remove all state power over social interaction and land us all in a religion free, drug using, prostitute loving hedonistic cluster fuck.  When viewed from the left they'd yank down all limits on corporate power and turn us into slaves.

      And while both of those could happen if taken to the extreme, that's not really where the libertarian party as a whole wants to go.

      "Foolproof systems don't take into account the ingenuity of fools."

      by overclocking on Sat Dec 24, 2011 at 02:58:22 AM PST

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