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  •  The reason I started thinking about this (10+ / 0-)

    was because there was a guest on The Last Word (?) who was a young liberal pundit that said he had rejected Obama in favor of Paul (something to the effect of "those former Obama supporters who now support Ron Paul, and I'm one of them")  I'll see if I can figure out who it was. It was this week.

    and because I saw the stupid bumper sticker on a car in an area of the city that is extremely liberal and bohemian, in addition to having a relatively high gay and lesbian population.

    Seeing a Ron Paul bumper sticker and/or an anti-Obama sticker is pretty rare.

    Even my fresh from Berkeley kid was talking up Ron Paul the other day.

    I did a google:

    Facebook (maybe someone can look up the numbers; I don't have Facebook

    2008 Obama Supporters for Ron Paul
    Former Obama Supporters for Ron Paul

    I think we underestimate the extent of post-Obama Ron Paul support.  

    (As an aside, we saw some kids hanging a banner off the overpass over the 110 freeway in L.A..  I asked what it said, and apparently they were LaDouchebags who claim Obama=Armageddon).  The cops pulled up right after that.  I hate to admit I was glad the cops made them take it down.  If that makes me a hypocrite (I would not want them to take down "We are the 99%", oh well, I'm human)  :)

    Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

    by delphine on Wed Dec 28, 2011 at 10:52:19 AM PST

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    •  delphine, great diary (2+ / 0-)
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      you broke it down point by point. Will show it to a Ron Paul supporter that I know. But, sadly, doubt it will do any good. Paul is like a religion with some of these folks.

      If there's a reason for the rich to rule, please Lord, tell us why. -Battle of Jericol, Coal Mining Woman

      by JayRaye on Wed Dec 28, 2011 at 11:08:57 AM PST

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    •  Hmm (3+ / 0-)

      I am sure you aware of the tenuous support for your broad conclusions, no?  A bumper sticker in the wrong part of town, really?  Did it ever occur to you that the owner may not live in your community?  Or that there is a minimum of diversity of opinion in your neighborhood?  

      And a self-identified guest on a cable news show?  How many times have you seen moderates-at-best presented as liberals?  I think it is a huge mistake to give cable news any credibility when it comes to proper  political identification.

      However, the insurmountable flaw in your analysis is the unsupported conclusion that these so-called Ron Paul converts are in fact lefties in the first place.  How do you get to this conclusion?  Interestingly, the paltry cites you offer relate to young people.  You know, the group that was carried through the last election on hope and change that did not come to pass.  I would not presume that they are, as a group, lefties.  They were looking for a change in direction and did not get it from Obama.  Paul similarly promises change from the status quo.  Perhaps there is nothing more to this cooked-up Paul conversion than that:  not terribly informed young voters looking for change, who now see Paul as a potential agent for change with the same naivete they once saw Obama as one. This seems a more likely explanation (if the phenomenon even exists) than a shift of lefties to Paul.  IMO, lefties may not be supportive of Obama for the reasons you cite (rightfully so, I would argue), but they are not embracing Paul.

      •  Well apparently Bruinkid and (1+ / 0-)
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        others have the numbers that back up my comments.

        Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

        by delphine on Wed Dec 28, 2011 at 04:10:22 PM PST

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