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  •  no, using a racist, homophobic, mysoginist dog (3+ / 0-)
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    as your example is what I object to, in fact I also think Obama is wrong on some of those issues. There are all kinds of admirable people and politicians who also disagree with the administration on those issues. What is wrong is Paul is so wrong on so many issues using him as you standard bearer to put those issues forward makes it sound as if you'll accept his faults because he agrees with you on some issues you have with Obama. It's to old "lay down with dogs get up with fleas" proverb.

    In the old south many hate filled dixiecrats had beliefs like Pauls but their sick views on race disqualified them from acceptance by thinking people. I put Paul in their catagory.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Wed Dec 28, 2011 at 07:55:55 PM PST

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    •  Well, it is possible to hold two competing (0+ / 0-)

      thoughts in your mind at once, isn't it?

      I don't think there's any contradiction in opposing RP's socially conservative beliefs on abortion, but applauding his position on civil liberties. Just as I'm disgusted by Ron Wyden's support of Paul Ryan's Medicare plan, but applaud his opposition to SOPA and the Patriot Act.

      As far as racist newsletters that he allowed to be published under his name decades ago, I could really care less. He certainly doesn't seem to be racist now, so it's neither here nor there IMO.

      There are all kinds of admirable people and politicians who also disagree with the administration on those issues.

      Yes, but how many of them are discussing these issues on the national stage? How many are using these issues as a basis for a national campaign?

      Like it or not, Ron Paul has the potential to raise much greater awareness on civil liberties issues than Glenn Greenwald does grumbling about Obama's policies in a Salon column.

      •  That is so strange (3+ / 0-)
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        You don't think choice is a matter of civil liberty?  Do you think that the Voting Rights Act has something to do with civil rights?

        Do you think the right to education involves civil rights?

        I mean, if we're talking only about "Big Brother" then perhaps you're right on - except then why does he want to define life as beginning at conception?  Doesn't someone have to interfere in a woman's most intimate life decisions - in effect big brother gyno - in order to implement this law he proposed?

        As far as not "seeming" to be racist now - seriously?  So you think it makes sense to say the most offensive stuff possible about blacks and gays 10 years ago and totally transform - without even admitting you said that stuff, supported that stuff, approved that stuff?

        His own staff says he didn't want to pee in the toilet at a gay man's house.  The stuff he said about blacks is just beyond the pale.  

        Let's bring Feingold out if we want to discuss the Patriot Act (he didn't vote for it).  At least he's never had such heinous and offensive stuff said in a newsletter bearing his name.  And he understands the role of government in people's lives.  

        We don't have to take a heaping help of crazy just to start a discussion on the Patriot Act.

        Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

        by delphine on Wed Dec 28, 2011 at 10:45:52 PM PST

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