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  •  The would-you-rather-have-Hitler argument (22+ / 0-)

    is specious front to back, top to bottom, side to side and inside out.

    Extrajudicial assassinations of Americans with drones ought to be deplored by all who understand and respect the Constitution.

    Greg Miller's article, "Under Obama, an emerging global apparatus for drone killing" in the Washington Post reveals

    Other commanders in chief have presided over wars with far higher casualty counts. But no president has ever relied so extensively on the secret killing of individuals to advance the nation’s security goals.

    The global network of drone bases and the drone operations are very poorly overseen. The target lists for drone operations are not monitored by Congress in any meaningful way. Siddhartha Mahanta reports in Mother Jones,

    This much we know about America's ever-expanding drone war in South Asia and the Middle East: it's controversial, rarely acknowledged by the White House, often effective, and subject to only the sketchiest Congressional oversight

    Even within the administration, the drone's secrecy and legal rationale are controversial:

    In outlining its legal reasoning, the administration has cited broad congressional authorizations and presidential approvals, the international laws of war and the right to self-defense. But it has not offered the American public, uneasy allies or international authorities any specifics that would make it possible to judge how it is applying those laws.

    The rapid expansion in the size and scope of the drone campaign as the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been winding down has led to increased criticism from human rights and international law experts, many of whom dispute the legal justification for the program


    The cartoonist is right to point out the cognitive dissonance that occurs on the left which vociferously protested illegal actions committed by W yet has largely chosen to ignore or praise the very same actions when undertaken by Pres. Obama.

    The secretive, imperial presidency needs to be reined in, not expanded, something that the candidate Obama seemed to know.

    "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

    by absolute beginner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 09:55:07 AM PST

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    •  Candidate Obama was a Poseur (8+ / 0-)

      You're seeing the real Obama now. Candidate Obama didn't "know" anything, he was simply scoring political points against the incumbent party holding the White House at that time by attacking Bush's imperial presidency. Our so-called two-party system is a joke because we have no practical alternative to it.

      "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

      by Aspe4 on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:32:36 AM PST

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      •  The fault, Apse4, is not in our (political) stars (2+ / 0-)
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        but in ourselves that we are underlings.

        Our politics is broken, that's for sure. Ron Paul exemplifies how badly off it is, since how else could that crazy, hateful prick get any traction, but so does the president in a way.

        He's never going to be the heavy lifter we need, but until OWS, had any on the left really mobilized? It wasn't until WI protests got underway and the recalls took shape.

        Waiting for Obama isn't gonna do it, is it?

        "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

        by absolute beginner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:01:37 PM PST

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    •  Assassination? (1+ / 0-)
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      In other words, the President said:

      "Use a drone and make sure you target any Americans in the vicinity, because I want them dead."

      I don't think so.

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:56:04 AM PST

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      •  The president ordered the assassination of (12+ / 0-)

        al-Awlaki, as the NYT reported on 30 Sept. 2011.

        The search for Mr. Awlaki, the American-born cleric whose fiery sermons made him a larger-than-life figure in the shadowy world of jihad, finally ended on Friday. After several days of surveillance of Mr. Awlaki, armed drones operated by the Central Intelligence Agency took off from a new, secret American base in the Arabian Peninsula, crossed into northern Yemen and unleashed a barrage of Hellfire missiles at a car carrying him and other top operatives from Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen, including another American militant who had run the group’s English-language Internet magazine.
        American officials said that the missile strike also killed Samir Khan, an American citizen of Pakistani origin who was an editor of Inspire, Al Qaeda’s English-language online magazine. Mr. Khan, who grew up in Queens and North Carolina, proclaimed in the magazine last year that he was “proud to be a traitor to America,” and edited articles with titles like “Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom.”

        These extrajudicial assassinations are a serious blemish on the rule of law.

        Do you think that you're safer now that the executive has the unlimited authority to detain or because it can assassinate people it determines--according to its own methods and criteria--need to be killed?

        Frankly, I can't make heads or tails of your response. Are you supportive of the expanding secret drone program? Is it good policy?

        "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

        by absolute beginner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:08:40 PM PST

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