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  •  No. I think it may be you who fails to (0+ / 0-)

    understand democratic principles, assuming you mean small "d" democratic.

    Clearly, a majority of the elecorate just doesn't care. You may believe they should, but you can't force them to care and more don't care than do.

    There are many other issues people care more about and those are the reasons they will not let this single issue put at risk other issues they deem more likely to affect them.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:16:41 AM PST

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    •  What a terrible indictment of the citizenry. (2+ / 0-)
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      Has it come to this?

      If so, it's hard to say that such a polity deserves the democracy that it won't defend.

      "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

      by absolute beginner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:24:13 AM PST

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      •  I'm sorry, but yes, it has come to this. I don't (1+ / 0-)
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        like it, but I accept it. There are just too many competing needs and messages and motives. People are how they are and they don't change unless they see an immediate benefit or are forced by circumstance.

        Deserve it or not, I think the polity will continue to hang on to some level of democracy. If it gets bad enough people will take to the streets with literal torches and piitchforks. Blood will be spilled, lives lost and maybe we'll come out better, maybe we won't.

        In the mean time we have an electoral proccess, flawed, but it's all we got. I'm not ready to break out the torches and pitchforks. Neither is a majority of the electorate. So I and the vast, vast majority of Dems will be working to re-elect Obama because the alternative is unimaginably unacceptable.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:59:29 AM PST

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        •  We're already part of the way there ... (2+ / 0-)
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          Blood will be spilled, lives lost  ...

          and with some additional, new non-lethal technology, namely pepper spray.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:29:11 PM PST

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        •  Well, I have my doubts about how democratic (2+ / 0-)
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          any society is when the rich own so much and the poor so little.

          But, this not being an excuse for cynicism or withdrawal, I still think that one can be both practical and idealistic.

          Why do you see it as being a choice between criticizing the president for his (and his party's and Congress's) failures to protect the rule of law OR participating in a practical way in electoral politics?

          Can't we have dirty hands and spotless aspirations?

          Hasn't OWS begun to show that there's a lot more to politics than simply voting, important as voting is?

          This is such a perplexing thread.

          "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

          by absolute beginner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:42:52 PM PST

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    •  While I agree with your sentiment (0+ / 0-)

      there's more to small-d values than mere majority rule.  THere are also the other principles that are required to permit free majority rule.

      but yes, most Americans don't care.

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