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  •  That is your opinion. I do not share it. (0+ / 0-)

    . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

    by 88kathy on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 08:18:56 AM PST

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    •  It isn't a matter of opinion that Obama continues (2+ / 0-)
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      the very same illegal policies that W followed.

      Listen to Professor Turley and the ACLU, for heaven's sake.

      While you may have suddenly had an epiphany that now illegal wiretapping is as American as apple pie, I have not.

      This has nothing to do with opinion.

      "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

      by absolute beginner on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 12:49:21 PM PST

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      •  You are not saying anything that will persuade me (0+ / 0-)

        to consider your opinion.  

        You are just saying that my opinion that your opinion is an opinion is . . well, if I had half a brain,

        I would realize that your opinion is not an opinion at all; but, is carved in stone by Professor Turley and the ACLU and true fact.

        Somehow by not supporting the President all the world will change.  

        How would that work?

        . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

        by 88kathy on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 03:31:21 PM PST

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        •  Not in stone (0+ / 0-)

          It's not carved in stone, but was written on parchment bought and paid for with the blood of revolutionaries.

          He has broken his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.  As pointed out, that's not opinion, that's fact.

        •  If your above comment was silly, this is sillier (0+ / 0-)

          You can't argue the facts, so you want to argue that this is all just a matter of opinion.

          Your argument has the exact form that those made by deniers of climate change have or that the tobacco industry made against the health dangers of smoking. Nice company you keep.

          Stick your fingers in your ear and shout, if it makes you feel better. Belittle people whose passionate commitment to civil liberties puts them squarely in opposition to the conduct of the president.

          President Obama not only retained the controversial Bush policies, he expanded on them. The earliest, and most startling, move came quickly. Soon after his election, various military and political figures reported that Obama reportedly promised Bush officials in private that no one would be investigated or prosecuted for torture. In his first year, Obama made good on that promise, announcing that no CIA employee would be prosecuted for torture. Later, his administration refused to prosecute any of the Bush officials responsible for ordering or justifying the program and embraced the "just following orders" defense for other officials, the very defense rejected by the United States at the Nuremberg trials after World War II.

          Obama failed to close Guantanamo Bay as promised. He continued warrantless surveillance and military tribunals that denied defendants basic rights. He asserted the right to kill U.S. citizens he views as terrorists. His administration has fought to block dozens of public-interest lawsuits challenging privacy violations and presidential abuses.

          But perhaps the biggest blow to civil liberties is what he has done to the movement itself. It has quieted to a whisper, muted by the power of Obama's personality and his symbolic importance as the first black president as well as the liberal who replaced Bush. Indeed, only a few days after he took office, the Nobel committee awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize without his having a single accomplishment to his credit beyond being elected. Many Democrats were, and remain, enraptured.

          Nobody but you makes this completely idiotic claim:

          Somehow by not supporting the President all the world will change

          If you had half a brain, well, that would be something.

          "Soyez réalistes, demandez l’impossible" "Be realistic, demand the impossible." Graffiti from Paris, May 1968

          by absolute beginner on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 01:17:40 PM PST

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