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  •  If you and I are going to have this discussion... (5+ / 0-)

    ...then I'd prefer that you not impute things to me that I did not say nor suggest that your anecdotal evidence is somehow superior to mine.

    I did not say or imply or even leave open a slight possibility that I believe "property rights libertarians" are progressives. What I said was that an unknown number of progressives are ignoring Paul's stances on many issues because they like what he has to say on a few, and those few happen to have some libertarian cachet, even though anti-interventionism has a long history before libertarianism was a gleam in anybody's eye. The fact that they like these views of his doesn't make them libertarians of any stripe. So your long-standing battle on this matter is most assuredly not with me.

    Your "understanding" of Paul's potential impact as an independent is based on the same speculation about such impact as mine. We don't know. We do know, however, that Paul's positions on the three issues of war, drugs and civil liberties are highly appealing to the same demographic that gave tremendous support for Obama in 2008, young voters, whose ballots favored him by the largest margin of any cohort. To assume that they might not switch to an independent Ron Paul campaign after four years with the guy they voted for having produced, at best, a mixed record in those areas, is based on what evidence? I am not saying they will jump ship. I am saying it's a possibility. And I find your dismissal of a pre-emptive strike in this matter puzzling.

    You say I did suggest he could get the GOP nomination? Cite it, counselor.

    We do agree about one thing: Some progressives romanticize libertarian views, and from there derives their support for Ron Paul. Discussion of that romanticization is, of course, separable from the presidential primaries, indeed, from elections altogether. Theory vs. reality is always a good discussion to have.

    But I don't believe showing everyone Ron Paul's dark side, his just-like-the-other-Republlicans side, puts up any roadblocks to such a discussion. Rather, it is complementary to it.

    The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:51:00 AM PST

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    •  Heh - does not impute (0+ / 0-)

      How about "inadvertently suggests?"

      Still and all, this seems thin gruel - "an unknown number of progressives are ignoring Paul's stances." An "unknown number of progressives are ignoring" some of Obama's stances too.

      Anyway, I do think you are factually wrong here = "Your "understanding" of Paul's potential impact as an independent is based on the same speculation about such impact as mine. We don't know."

      Unless your speculation is based on polling, then that;s not correct.

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