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  •  We need a third option.... (5+ / 0-)

    I wish DailyKos and every other Progressive Machine that asks me for money on a Daily basis would realize, I am not going to give a single penny to Democratic causes this year or to Barrack Obama.

    You have serious reservations? THEN VETO THE DAMN BILL!

    I am tired of all this pussyfooting around this simple fact. Barack Obama has coddled Wall Street, interpreted the 2010 mid-cylce election results to mean that he must move to the center and abandon everyone who voted for him, dumped Elizabeth Warren (I'd give her money if I had any), and generally has done the opposite of what we expected. Thank goodness for his first year and a bit, otherwise nothing would have been accomplished. And I am still waiting for the Wall Street crooks to go to jail.

    I am sorry, he is not the man you all try to paint him out to be, and no, a Republican President would be a disaster. IF no clear cut 3rd choice emerges, I might be forced to vote for him, but hold my nose, all the while fearing that the jack-booted thugs of his administration are but a step behind me because of what I post on the Internet, and how much food I have in my pantry... and yes, I am a Liberal with a gun, to protect myself against all the crazy GOPers with guns quickening to the Apocalypse.

    The disaster of Obama's presidency has come full circle. And we all allowed it to happen.

    •  He feigns reservations... (7+ / 0-)

      mostly.  President Obama's "reservations" about this bill have nothing to do with mistreating "enemy combatants" or even American citizens, his reservations are about being told how to do it.  He has had an American citizen assassinated without charging him with a crime...what makes you think he isn't in full support of putting an American citizen in prison "until the end of hostilities" aka indefinitely?

      Didn't vote for the man in 2008...won't vote for him in 2012...

      "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

      by cardboardurinal on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 02:11:19 PM PST

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    •  Veto to what effect (8+ / 0-)

      This bill is substantially better then the bill prior.  And as far as detention, nothing has changed.  You want to send this back through the crazy house and have them pass it again?  Really?

      I was far more concerned about giving up the government option in the health care bill than this bill that has little effect on the existing War on Terror.  

      That's your problem.  There is no such thing as an indefinate war on terror.  Did you think Barrack was going to reverese that?  Really?  And get reelected how?

      Just like the payroll tax issue, the Republicans did their best to put him in a box.  They didn't.  He and the Democratic Senators paired the negatives down substantially.

      Had he vetoed this bill, he would have been hung as soft on terrorism and given the Republicans an unnecessary political tool.  Currently that field is laughable.  Barack will probably win if we don't fuck up.

      And if we do fuck it up, I will be stuck trying to figure out how to keep affordable health care for my employees.  Right now I think I can hang on till 2014.  You put a Republican in the White House and insurance reform is out the window.  You give Barack one more term and the American poeple will never let it be reversed.

      So.... consider the best lawblog on National Security Law and what they have to say.  It is here:

      http://www.lawfareblog.com/...

      Someone should do a whole dairy on this but a good summation is:

      The volume of sheer, unadulterated nonsense zipping around the internet about the NDAA boggles the mind. There was a time–only a few months ago–when the NDAA detention provisions were the obscure province of a small group of national security law nerds. Now, however, this bill has rocketed to international notoriety. The added attention to it is a good thing. It’s an important subject and warrants genuine debate and discussion. The trouble is that much of the discussion is the intellectual equivalent of the “death panel” objections to the health care bill. While certain journalists have done a good job covering the controversy, it’s much easier to get bad information than good.

      So says Benjamin Wittes & Robert Chesney at Lawfare.  The Lawfare Blog has been described this way:

      Lawfare, a project of the Brookings Institution and Harvard Law School, and founded by Benjamin Wittes, Robert Chesney, and Jack Goldsmith, is the go-to online daily journal on national security law; careful, measured, never crazy, and scrupulous about separating objective description from prescriptive comment.  I serve as the Reviews editor, full disclosure. Lawfare is currently doing a side by side comparison of the House and Senate versions of the bill, if you want the technical details

      http://volokh.com/...

      To tell the truth, I think Barack may have played this about the best way he could.  He was in the fight.  I am not crazy about the bill but I think the hysteria is over the top.  

      imho,
      Mrick

    •  The GOP thanks you for your support (0+ / 0-)

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Want to end too big to fail banks? Then move your money and they will no longer be too big.

      by Lestatdelc on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 02:48:44 PM PST

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    •  And yet, somehow this is HIS fault? (0+ / 0-)
      Barack Obama has coddled Wall Street, interpreted the 2010 mid-cylce election results to mean that he must move to the center and abandon everyone who voted for him, dumped Elizabeth Warren (I'd give her money if I had any), and generally has done the opposite of what we expected.

      He did all that as a DIRECT result of the messages the American public was sending him.  Messages this blog and the rest of the lefty media helped shape.  And now everyone has their panties in a bunch about entirely predictable, and indeed predicted, results.

      Every last thing in the above paragraph is the fault of the American public for sending the wrong messages, and nothing is going to change until they grasp that and change the message they are sending.

      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

      by Whimsical on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 06:27:12 PM PST

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