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  •  I think the impulse to have 8 children when they (9+ / 0-)

    1.5 billion is unreasonable. I don't think the government can stop them if they are determined and the punishment for doing so is abhorent.  Perhaps if they had choice to have 5 to 10 children they wouldn't. But I think that we would have a world with over 3 or 4 billion Chinese. When I speak of China, it is of the desperate effort to stave off horror when faced with human drives. I think we are going to lose and will have a die back. BUT I will not quit trying to try to convince  people to live beyond thier drives and impulses in a self disciplined manner.  

    The least and perhaps the most we should do is to remove the child deduction on taxes... But that is unlikely to happen since families with 3 or more need to keep more money to feed the children who are now here. Too many are making efforts to ensure is far more then zero population by denying birth control and choice.  

    It is a sad and miserable choice . So I really think many are embracing the future that unrestrained child birth will bring us to. That too is an instinct to produce as many as possible carrying your  (tiny difference) genes so more can survive the struggle.  To me it is more sane to preserve our species genes but to each thier life is the only one worth preserving so I despair that we will ever escape the consequences of our animal nature. Maybe we shouldn't

    Fear is the Mind Killer

    by boophus on Sun Jan 01, 2012 at 06:06:15 PM PST

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    •  Those who favor more children ... (0+ / 0-)

      favor more die back and more Darwin.

      The one-child policy in China was the single most compassionate act by any government in human history. Yes, it's coercive and harsh. Also compassionate. Compassion is rarely a thornless rose.

      ... unless your perspective is to identify with the distant survivors of the coming die back, to whom it will be no more present than the ancient Black Plague is in our own feelings. They might truly be glad for the Darwinian advantage of the winnowing.

      •  Good grief! (0+ / 0-)

        If that was compassion, please give me cruelty! In any case, please spare us these smug proverbs about compassion and roses, announced from the comfort of your study. I imagine next you'll tell us about the virtues of a benevolent dictatorship.

        •  It was compassionate to the children (0+ / 0-)

          and, perhaps the key to present day Chinese prosperity.

          Nations with lower birth rates are more prosperous.

          look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

          by FishOutofWater on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 07:24:53 AM PST

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