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  •  Sounds like nancyj just doesn't like them EVIL (8+ / 0-)

    unions. Yeah, those awful unions really hurt workers wages and protection from arbitrary treatment by management (not).

    •  No, based on nancyj's comment history, (8+ / 0-)

      she's...idiosyncratic rather than anti-worker, not at all a fan of unions as institutions but in favor of worker power, albeit in this case in a way that appears to loop back on itself and make a twisted kind of common cause with anti-worker Republicans in service of her problems with unions as institutions. I think she misrepresents what I said/implied here -- this isn't a hugely in-depth piece, so there are things I devoted a phrase to that you could write a book chapter on -- and I think what she's saying is problematic in a host of ways, but...eh.  

    •  Facts are a pain, aren't they? (0+ / 0-)

      Per usual, when one tries to push back on union misinformation with facts the only route left is personal attacks.  Sigh.

      My opinions on contemporary unions, based on many years of close observation and an expert understanding of labor law clearly has no place for those who stubbornly will defend their belief in the union fairies.  

      •  Well, one might also say, (10+ / 0-)

        per usual, when one shows up at Daily Kos with what sound like rightwing talking points, even if they come from somewhere other than Scott Walker and Fox News, they get read as if that is where they came from. Like I say, I suspect you're coming from somewhere else; in this case, though, I'm not sure how much difference that makes.

      •  Facts are good (6+ / 0-)

        Try posting some.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 02:51:18 PM PST

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        •  help me out (0+ / 0-)

          I'm a busy person -- what specifically would you like me to prove?

          •  Here's your post: (0+ / 0-)
            Facts are a pain, aren't they?

            Per usual, when one tries to push back on union misinformation with facts the only route left is personal attacks.  Sigh.

            My opinions on contemporary unions, based on many years of close observation and an expert understanding of labor law clearly has no place for those who stubbornly will defend their belief in the union fairies.

            Would you like to point to any fact there?  Just innuendo and opinion.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Wed Jan 04, 2012 at 10:21:19 AM PST

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      •  fine, but (1+ / 0-)
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        the union movement is completely on its back in this country.  there are plenty of ways in which individual unions and the movement as a whole could better serve their members.  however, the time to take up that fight (at least on a large-scale rhetorical level) is NOT when the entire concept of unionization in the american workplace is under fire.  let's focus on basic worker rights for the moment, and we can deal with the pesky details once oh, i don't know... wal-mart stops sending in swat teams to stores trying to unionize, workers aren't laid off en masse to avoid unionization drives, employers don't drag out union elections for years to harass and derail unionization efforts, or labor laws actually have an even chance of being enforced...

    •  Ah, good old Texas, so-called Right -to-Work (9+ / 0-)

      state. Such a worker's paradise! The bosses here, think they can force you to work for NO PAY after 8 hrs, forget overtime pay. Wish we had us some of those "union fairies" that she mocks.

      If there's a reason for the rich to rule, please Lord, tell us why. -Battle of Jericol, Coal Mining Woman

      by JayRaye on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 01:41:48 PM PST

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