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  •  Jesus Christ. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm arguing tactics, not telling anyone to shut up. I value the american atheist group, and want their message to be as potent as possible. Going after Cee Lo Green is beneath their dignity.

    •  so you're telling only the white males to shut up? (2+ / 0-)
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      "I’m
       increasingly convinced that the reason that movement atheism is so dominated by white men is because there is no other way they can experience oppression."

      And going after Cee Lo Green is what Lennon fans and his peeps are doing on Twitter. I guess they're all being undignified defending the lyrics as written of John Lennon.

      •  That's not my quote. (3+ / 0-)
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        That's the quote that generated the statement I agree with, as is explained in the next paragraph:

        "but one of the more interesting thoughts that came out of this conversation is a statement by Bridget that--to pararaphrase--many white atheist men, unaware of their privilege, are overwhelmingly concerned with the few first world problems that their lifestyle and our social structure allow to get through to them. I.E., whether or not 'under god' is on our currency, keeping 'merry christmas' greetings out of public schools, etc."

        I was laying out the chain of events that brought us to that thought.

        Some of my favorite atheists are white male atheists. I am a white male atheist, and I would never tell myself to shut up.

        Everyone talk. Say whatever you want. I will say whatever I want too, and that's what I'm doing. Sometimes people within a movement need to critique what other people within a movement are saying. It makes movements stronger. I will certainly benefit from all of the critiques and criticisms I'm receiving about this piece, and no doubt all of the critiques and criticisms Dave Silverman receives will help him sharpen his message. He's a tough guy: he can handle my opinion.

        •  Do not be a spectator (4+ / 0-)
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          TFinSF, Spencer Troxell, Vayle, gzodik

          Tell me if you agree with this quote from Christopher Hitchens-

          "Never be a spectator to stupidity or unfairness."

          Son to me: "Geez Dad, I'm not a pervert!" Me to son: "Son, you're a 14 year old boy, of course you're a pervert."

          by otto on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 06:10:15 AM PST

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          •  I do agree with that Hitchens quote. (2+ / 0-)
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            AoT, Wee Mama

            I'm suggesting that we choose the stupidity that we respond to better. There's a lot of it out there, so we have to be discerning.

            •  All those twitter peeps aren't being stupid (2+ / 0-)
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              to slap down Cee Lo for his inartful reinvention of John Lennon's lyrics.

              Your opinion of Dave Silverman's piling on with that is rather silly. I assume you can handle that opinion.

              •  I can handle that opinion! (0+ / 0-)

                And I agree that Cee Lo's version of Lennon's song sucks, and Lennon fans are right to complain about it. It was stupid, and if I weren't an atheist I would suggest that John Lennon was groaning in the afterlife while Cee Lo butchered his lyrics.

            •  One of the problems with atheism in public (6+ / 0-)

              One of the things that we lack is "name recognition." For many people, the idea that they can be an atheist isn't really part of their understanding of the world.  

              They need to see that the product exists in order for them to determine whether or not they wish to invest their time and energy into.  

              Instances like this go a long ways towards opening the public up to the debate about the existence of a deity.  

              For most people, they don't entertain the discussion in their daily lives, so it's nice to see it get out there.

              What most people discover when they analyze their beliefs is that they don't know a whole lot about their own beliefs.  They haven't bothered to investigate the root of their beliefs.  

              Son to me: "Geez Dad, I'm not a pervert!" Me to son: "Son, you're a 14 year old boy, of course you're a pervert."

              by otto on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 07:28:14 AM PST

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