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  •  Look, if you examine REAL Catholicism (3+ / 0-)
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    You have to start with Thomas Aquinas, who thought a baby became human at 5 months...or the strong catholic positions against capital punishment and pre-emptive war.

    The current pseudo-Catholic politics is based upon an unholy bargain between older hierarchy and the GOP that protected them from these lawsuits. Benedict is doing everything he can to undo Vatican II, including inserting inscrutable language into the liturgy ("consubstantiate" anyone?) to impress the laity with how smart and authoritative the Bishops are.

    Let's ask the guy whose kids outed him today.

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Wed Jan 04, 2012 at 12:42:00 PM PST

    •  I hate when someone uses REAL as a descriptor (0+ / 0-)

      There is no real Catholic or Christian position on every issue.  Christians, me included, all come at these issues in the best way we can with the best information we have.  

      And a saints opinion on an issue does not hold as much water as something the Church officially teaches.  OTOH, the Just War Theory is Catholic doctrine, and probably too often ignored.

    •  you are aware... (0+ / 0-)

      ... that the Pope publishes in Latin?

      So the terms you have a beef with are the product of your local translator?

      •  No, not at all! (0+ / 0-)

        There was a huge (English language) commission that just finished its work and reversed much of the translation of Vatican II. The pitch is that the laity need "humble obedience." This isn't the Pope's doing at all. (Been to a Catholic church in the last 2 months?)

        Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

        by MrMichaelMT on Wed Jan 04, 2012 at 04:33:49 PM PST

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        •  It didn't actually reverse the language (0+ / 0-)

          It just made the English language versions consistent with what the rest of the world has been doing since Vatican II.  I did like the English version much better, though, and think the whole thing has a lot more to do with efforts of some in the Catholic Church, as occurs as well in other faiths, to lead through control rather than service than anything else.

    •  "Impress the laity"? (0+ / 0-)

      They seem more annoyed than impressed.

      What's intrinsically bad about "consubstantial with the Father"?

      •  One of a dozen words (0+ / 0-)

        that aren't real English at all.

        This isn't an effort to be more accurate, it's an effort to impress.

        Remember, during the Reformation it was a capital offense to translate scripture into language that the average guy could understand.

        This latest injection of vocabulary that is not just awkward but totally incomprehensible--along with the Bishop's message that the laity must "humbly obey"--is just a message that they hold the key to understanding. It's a complete reversal of the spirit of Vatican II (which Benedict hates) and the idea that the laity ARE the church.

        Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

        by MrMichaelMT on Wed Jan 04, 2012 at 04:35:58 PM PST

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