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  •  I'm not going to give you a donut (6+ / 0-)

    But I will give you my personal scorn.  I'm resisting the temptation to throw a big FU your way.

    It's quite apparent that you've never had any skin in the game.

    I could dissect this diary point by point, but I'm not going to bother.

    We're resigned to our collective fate because we've been conditioned to believe that this is as good as it gets.

    by Richard Cranium on Thu Jan 05, 2012 at 01:36:40 PM PST

    •  Must resist Urge to HR the Diarrhist (2+ / 0-)
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      Vetwife, shesaid

      I'll join you in a hearty FO rather than a FU to him.

      -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be. If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

      by Unit Zero on Thu Jan 05, 2012 at 01:44:45 PM PST

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      •  I don't HR but to the diarist,,,just back away (4+ / 0-)
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        skohayes, exlrrp, luckylizard, Chinton

        your diary has pissed me off beyond words.  You are dishonoring the sacrafice of the men and women on this site and returning and who not only sacrafice their minds and bodies but you dishonor their very being.  
        You want to know what you owe them?  You can't afford to give back what they put in.  I shall go wash this diary out of my hair now before I really go off on you.  

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Thu Jan 05, 2012 at 02:04:11 PM PST

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        •  One point (0+ / 0-)

          Obviously you're are too angry to be coherent but I'll reply anyway.

          One point I made in my diary was that sacrifice alone cannot be allowed to justify the bad decisions we make. Sacrifice alone does not justify more sacrifice. Death alone does not justify more death. The justification must lie in the lives saved overall, or the improvement in democratic government, or the extension of rights to more people, or...

          After deposing Saddam in 2003 we should have handed the keys over to the Shiites where they'll wind up anyway. Face the facts not the propaganda and lies about WMD, Democratization and ...  the Bushies fed us.

          As Iraq now comes apart so fast after we leave we must acknowledge all those years, dollars, and lives, were wasted. We need to grow up now and admit our mistakes before we bungle into yet another war.

          •  I am trying very hard to give you the benefit (0+ / 0-)

            of the doubt, but with statements like:

            Face the facts not the propaganda and lies about WMD, Democratization

            If you are truly a newbie, look back at the diaries and comments posted during the run up to and during the Iraq war. Many of us did not fall for the lies pushed by the Bush administration. We knew that the lies were there and we fought the best way we could, with information and protests. We know who caused the conflict, what lies were spread. The servicemen and women did not and do not have the luxury of disregarding orders from the proper chain of command.  

            we must acknowledge all those years, dollars, and lives, were wasted.

            The servicemen and women did not have a choice in deployment. Civilians run the Military, not the other way around.

            In your diary you said:

            During the Iraq war years military workers did relatively well, at least economically.

            I think you are truly mistaken in this statement, ask many of the military families who frequent DKos about the economic hardship that being in the military brings to families. Many rely on family members helping out, state and federal assistance programs and just plain doing without.

            In a comment you write:

            I would leave preferential treatment on employment as going too far, especially when so many non-vets are suffering the same way.

            If you believe that, then you must also believe that others who had delayed benefits must now give them up. Teachers, Police, Firefighters and others who have delayed benefits such as Pensions, Healthcare, etc... should now be stripped of those. You would fit right in with the current Republican platforms in multiple states.

            In another comment you stated that:

            You ask me "Do you believe that all military personnel did so voluntarily?" One obvious answer is that there was no draft so no one was literally forced to go. Even people who went under the duress of a court could have gone to jail instead (some choice).

            Let me ask you a question, have you served? If so, was it during a time of conflict? If that is true, did you disregard orders and refuse to serve? Were you brought up on charges during a Courts Martial? Did you serve time and/or receive a DD?

            If you didn't serve, where were you when the ones of us who stayed home were protesting the wars and demanding that our servicemen and women be recalled home?

            You speak of Viet Nam in your Diary, I lived the Viet Nam era. I was protesting the war from early HS through the evacuation of Saigon. All throughout that, I knew that it was not the military men and women who were the problem, it was the Civilian leadership pushing the war that were the issue.

            Let me put it this way, I honor our men and women in the services. I know who really deserves the scorn and it is not the men and women in the military.

            It is very hard for me to not label you as I believe you are.

            -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be. If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

            by Unit Zero on Fri Jan 06, 2012 at 06:50:00 AM PST

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