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  •  This is a reasonable explanation of why, (4+ / 0-)

    which still doesn't make what they do the correct thing to do.

    •  No it doesn't (0+ / 0-)

      Sen. Mark Udall, back when he was a Congressman, talked about the Iraq War by saying that the best solution to our involvement in the Iraq War was not to have gotten in to it in the first place, but since we had already committed ourselves, there was no simple way of getting out of it responsibly.

      The same applies here.  Bush and Cheney and their "enhanced interrogation techniques" and the incredibly poor job they did during the round-up of terrorists and not-so-much-terrorists have left us in a really lousy situation.  We have a few people in Guantanamo who almost certainly had direct ties to 9/11 and/or other al-Qaeda attacks, and who would certainly be dangerous to release (if only for the propaganda of having their trials not result in guilty verdicts for any reason whatsoever...) - yet we've corrupted the process so much that it might be impossible to convict them even in a military tribunal.

      Whether the Obama administration supported these provisions in secret or not (and, given that they are an extension of the ban on bringing Guantanamo suspects here to the US for civilian trials, I lean toward Obama not being involved), I tend to agree that they're a reaction to past events as much as or more than any attempt to extend power in the long term.

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:51:53 AM PST

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      •  Call me simplistic (0+ / 0-)
        but since we had already committed ourselves, there was no simple way of getting out of it responsibly.

        But there certainly ways to exit Iraq in a responsible manner that didn't require an 8+ year occupation.

      •  The propaganda thing I'm not so convinced of. (0+ / 0-)

        The propaganda machines of the world, whether new or decades old, are there. And how do we know we can't try these people, for certain? And if we don't, and continue torture (this obviously and openly) and forever detentions, who the hell are we?

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