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  •  Greatest president evah! (5+ / 0-)

    Oh, wait, we're not allowed to comment on his role in this, since of course his signature will have nothing to do with its becoming law and his behind the scenes involvement had nothing to do with its final form.

    His winning smile and positive accomplishments, of course, negating this.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:11:59 AM PST

    •  it certainly wasn't my intention (5+ / 0-)

      To try to forbid comments on Obama's involvement (as if I could). And of course as leader of the party that allowed it, on the SASC & full Senate, it's impossible to ignore his role, which can, in my opinion, be most generously described as failure of leadership, his serious reservations not withstanding.

      But I hoped to contextualize his role as more a symptom of a larger problem. Why does the MIC/intelligence community escape all scrutiny on their goals, from the overwhelming majority of politicians, from the media?

      This will remain after Obama is gone.

      •  Because he ran on a platform of FINALLY (1+ / 0-)
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        doing something about this nonsense, and has instead chosen--and yes, he has chosen--to solidify it. Both as president and as the president he claimed he'd be, he has failed on this and similar issues. No, he didn't "start this fire", but he's not only kept it burning, he's built it a permanent home.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:50:14 PM PST

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      •  Not to state the obvious, but I thought your post (0+ / 0-)

        clearly stated your goal. I believe and generally agree with those who state their  principles tell them that the President is too entangled in this weave to omit, but I'd certainly agree that over and over again Congress oozes on by as that man with the  "winning smile"  (how dismissive) gets it over and over again. I think we can try discussing both the MIC and the Intelligence community, but for many of us, those two enormous powers seem beyond our power to effect. And the US media? I don't know how we get any news at all without going online and searching many times for sources outside our own country. Once again we kind of slept through the deregulation and then the following Murdoch tyranny, in which a man with loyalty to no country whatsoever gained a media monopoly in more than one country. We did not pay the price of eternal vigilance (most of us), and now have an overwhelming and desperate catch-up to attempt.

        Or, as others posit, much of this is the fact of globalization, and the decline of nation-states. Still, there is work to be done, because as it turns out, the fear of one world government is more likely to be the reality of rule by world corporations.    (Just my exceptionally limited 2 cents).

        Still, a typically quality post which generated quality and informative comments. Thanks.

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