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  •  Obama has lobbied for this bill in its final form (3+ / 0-)

    and will sign it, making his role in it instrumental, and thus unignorable. He is as responsible for it as members of congress and neocons.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:19:41 AM PST

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    •  Yes. (9+ / 0-)

      But if you think removing Obama will solve the problem, it won't.

      He will merely be replaced with another candidate that will campaign on his opposition to the war in Iraq Libya Iran, who will then proceed to govern as the MIC tells him to.

      It's bigger and more complicated than who is sitting in the Oval Office at any given moment.

      •  Nothing to do with "removing" Obama (0+ / 0-)

        And I never said or implied that we should try to do this or that this would solve things. That's putting words in my mouth. But he is the president right now and he is the person who's lobbied for and will sign this bill, and as such is a point person on it. There is literally not a more central and key person in getting this law enacted than Obama, which is why he gets the focus.

        One word from him and it wouldn't have made it out of committee.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:52:44 PM PST

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