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  •  In response to which I would say, (20+ / 0-)

    as I did in Dante's post:

    There is no way in hell Ron Paul is going to secure the Republican nomination.

    And Ron Paul is not Ralph Nader. If Ron Paul WERE to launch a third party bid, he would siphon off a lot more votes from Romney than he would from Obama.

    But, for as long as Paul polls well enough to be included in the Republican debates, millions of Americans are being exposed to policy issues that should be part of the national narrative:

    The war in AfPak is a tremendous waste of scarce resources that is radicalizing a generation of Islamic youth. I don't give a shit that Paul's isolationism makes no allowance for just intervention for humanitarian purposes.

    The War on Drugs is yet another absurd waste of resources that is enriching those who profit from illegal drugs and destroying the futures of countless young non-violent offenders, the disproportionate share of whom are people of color. I don't give a shit that Paul would be just as happy to have individual states prosecuting this travesty.

    The Patriot Act (and similar measures) are anathema to a free people and are a far greater danger to the Republic than a thousand hapless shoe bombers. I don't give a shit that Paul would welcome the destruction of the social safety net along with the national security state.

    In short, I don't give a shit what this odious little cretin's motivations are. What matters to me is that millions of Foxbots are getting exposed to arguments against the War in AfPak, the War on Drugs and the War on Civil Liberties that they otherwise would never hear discussed in the corporate media. And they sure as fuck won't hear these issues discussed in the general election debates between Obama and Romney.

    In writing this, I am certainly not advocating an alliance with Ron Paul. I'm merely positing that our fevered, multiple-times-a-day denunciation of him is unnecessary and, at the least, premature. If he ever does ascend to the level that he might threaten Obama's reelection, then, by all means, let loose on him. In the meantime, however, he's a very useful tool for injecting some anti-war rhetoric into the national narrative.

    •  I'd rather have my rhetoric coming (2+ / 0-)

      from sources I can respect.  Taking him seriously on policy in any way is the equivalent of praising Karl Rove for having a really good handle on propaganda - we should learn how to lie from Karl Rove?

      There are numerous arguments and multiple voices we could turn to if we want to discuss how to change our society.  Using Ron Paul's ideas as a vehicle for social change is like hiring a Klan member to teach Boy Scouts to tie knots.  

      Of course he's not a threat at the Presidential level.  It remains offensive that he's being taken remotely seriously by anyone on the Left.  Glen Greenwald has lost whatever was left of his mind, and it's shocking that he's got people taking his specious arguments seriously.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:34:33 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, well, let me know when you spot (9+ / 0-)

        a Democrat being handed the national stage on a weekly basis to promote an anti-war, anti-Big Brother agenda.

        •  Such a stage would require a primary (4+ / 0-)

          At which point, the Dem primarying Obama would be the recipient of hated and venom that makes that seen toward he who must not be named seem mild.

          Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

          by Robobagpiper on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 07:19:46 AM PST

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        •  You're quite right, it's not easy to (0+ / 0-)

          access the President's statements or hear what is really happening on those fronts.  You appear to be really invested in the propaganda from the libertarians. No wonder you're so unhappy.

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:57:16 AM PST

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      •  Who is that person? (1+ / 0-)
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        or who are those people who are
        1) On a national stage in front of large television audiences
        2) Are anti-war, pro civil liberties

        How many times is Kucinich invited on meet the press and has the opportunity to raise these concerns?  Sanders?

        Like it or not, that candidate who shall not be named is all those like me, who hate these bi-partisan wars and bi-partisan destruction of our rights, have who is taking a stand.

        I wish it wasn't that way, but, at least right now, it is.

        You want my ideas on improving education? Whatever Arne Duncan proposes, do the opposite.

        by Indiana Bob on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:27:34 AM PST

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