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  •  Last I looked, the Iraqi War had been ended (1+ / 0-)
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    and a lot of US troops were scheduled to come home.  That doesn't quite sound like 'nothing, nada, zero,' to me, and I imagine it doesn't to their families either.

    •  The deadline was set by the Bush administration (3+ / 0-)
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      greeseyparrot, Quequeg, Funkygal

      And Obama only pulled out because he couldn't secure  legal immunity for the troops. Do the motives behind the politics matter in this case?

      “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

      by 420 forever on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 07:30:02 PM PST

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      •  I'm not sure one can say with impunity 'only'. (1+ / 0-)
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        qm1pooh

        That's certainly one reason he gave to placate the Republicans, who were pounding him mercilessly as an 'appeaser' for not renegotiating the SoFA that you correctly point out was originally worked out under Bush.

        One thing we have with Paul that we don't with Obama is a long and consistent history of making the same sorts of ideologically consistent statements.  Given another decade or two, or perhaps another autobiography, we might be able to tell if that was his 'only' reason for pulling out the troops.  Personally, given the timing, I think he at the very least was going with the threefer of actually holding to an agreement made in the country's name, fulfilling a campaign promise, and making the politically popular move of removing a lot of American troops from harm's way.   But that's pure speculation on my part.

      •  The US is out of Iraq for the reasons mentioned; (1+ / 0-)
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        and US involvement under Bush/Obama did not solve, by any stretch of the imagination, the underlying major problems in that country.

        Iraq - Jan. 5, 2012; after almost nine years of American
        involvement (under Bush and Obama) in a war based on lies; in a country wracked with sectarian strife; a war that has left 4,500 American military dead, over 32,000 physically wounded, and an untold number incapacitated by various degrees of psychological trauma.

        All for naught

        A suicide bomber targeting Shia pilgrims in southern Iraq has killed at least 30 people and wounded 70 others, hours after an earlier wave of attacks in mainly Shia districts of Baghdad killed at least 29 people and wounded dozens more....
        "People have real fears that the cycle of violence might be revived in this country," Tariq Annad, a government employee who lives near the site of the Sadr City attacks, told Associated Press.

        A political crisis that erupted shortly after US troops withdrew from Iraq on 18 December has revived concerns about sectarian violence in Iraq, which teetered on the brink of civil war in 2006-07.

        The Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, a Shia, angered rivals when he asked parliament to have his Sunni deputy, Saleh al-Mutlaq, removed and sought an arrest warrant for the Sunni vice-president, Tareq al-Hashemi, on charges that he ran death squads....

        What a tragic loss of American (and Iraqi) blood and treasure.

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