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    I can agree with some of what you are saying, and yes I responded in a snarky sort of way because that is what I felt the post deserved.

    While you might be correct in saying that some people look past the good just to find the bad you lump an entire segment of people that think  the "accomplishments" made are small potatoes with their view of what has been relinquished on the alter of bi-partisanship. With those that will never accept that there have been accomplishments at all.  

    Right or wrong, when people have been told repeatedly that the things they truly believe in, and have believed since before this administration ever set foot in Washington are a bridge too far. Things that some feel should be a no-brainer for any Democrat and positions that should never be relinquished no matter who is in charge they tend to become defensive and sometimes are effected by tunnel vision seeing just one goal and never noticing the periphery. Especially when some of those same people worked so hard believing the promises that were made were sincere and not just more campaign rhetoric they tend to become numb to any of the incremental and sometime regressive "accomplishments".

    Another reason I can't take this diary as a serious offering is that it only addresses one side and completely ignores that there are some people that are a bit over the top in their opinions as well, just on the opposite side of the spectrum. This post completely ignores the fact that there are people in this country and on this site in particular that allow for no questioning of approach or enactment of policies by this administration.

    There that was longer than I started but I hope it explains a bit better my responses in this diary.

    peace is possible in America to govern entirely on the appearance of principle--while changing absolutely nothing~Matt Taibbi

    by LaEscapee on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 04:16:08 PM PST

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    •  The problem is when expectations (3+ / 0-)
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      don't arise from history, real situations, actual promises, or actual morality in context, but instead treat visceral reactions and prejudices as if they were the "first principles" from which one can rationally judge what a leader is supposed to do.

      Every action comes with a price, and frankly the vast majority of the people who say they are "at the end of their rope" with this President would be in the same position if he did everything they tell him to or worse, because the consequences would not be to their liking.  For people who wanted and expected intelligent, courageous leadership, it's been there all along for us to make use of, and some of us have made good use of it - it was my understanding from the beginning that everything he could accomplished would be limited by the degree of public commitment to change, and so it has been.  We gave him a badly compromised Congress, and he passed some badly compromised healthcare legislation.  So we gave him a wingnut Congress, and now some complain that progress has ground to a halt!  It's surreal.  For those who wanted an escape hatch from reality, they never intended to be satisfied.  Their angst was a deliberate inevitability.  

      Some people in the Occupy movement may resent giving Obama any kind of direct credit, but he as much as told the American people to do things like that when he came to office, repeatedly insisting on the principle that all change starts and ends with us, not with the distorted Hall of Mirrors that is an elected government.  Barack Obama is as good as it gets, and as good as it has ever been.  You would not get better if you magically transported some venerated leader of history into his position.  Maybe if they truly stepped out of the political framework you would get some brief satisfaction out of a flash-in-the-pan symbolic stand, but its implosion - and the equally inevitable attempt to blame that leader as weak or incompetent for allowing it - would be predictable.

      A paraplegic doesn't know the difference between a $1,500 custom-fit professional athletic shoe and an oily rag tied with twine, and people who don't understand what their power and role as a citizen is - people who think they're here to act as consumers of political brands, or sports commentators offering their reactions as if they had intrinsic value - will never see the difference between an Abraham Lincoln and an incoherent blowhard.  Everything will always be transient impressions, unexamined instincts, and the absolute conviction that politics should be a one-way street nothing more demanding in return than to lick envelopes, make phone calls, and show up at the polls.  

      A lot of people find even that to be too much, and that's sad because that much isn't even close to being enough for democracy to survive let alone flourish.  It takes an awareness of how events connect to us, how politics functions as a dialectic feedback.  "You're my servant and I helped elect you, so you do what I say!" isn't reality.  Neither is "You're not doing what I say, so you're a corrupt betrayer of all that is holy, and you don't deserve my support."  I understand that American politics are simplifying to a fault, but we (progressive activists) don't have any excuses here - we have to get it.  We have to take responsibility to seeing how things actually work before prescribing solutions.  Otherwise we're just another species of medieval monk debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

      A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

      by Troubadour on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:00:37 PM PST

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      •  And there it is again (2+ / 0-)

        you use alot of words to say the exact same thing every time. Let me paraphrase your argument.

        "Your expectations are to high. You don't understand how government works. If it wasn't for congress."

        The rest of your argument that you are either purposefully or your unwillingness to say is that people should just accept the fact that it isn't going to get better. Or maybe it's that people shouldn't complain because those other guys are just nucking futs.

        Obviously we aren't going to agree, so you do your thing and I'll do mine and we'll both just hope and pray that some nut doesn't end up in charge and things don't get worse. is possible in America to govern entirely on the appearance of principle--while changing absolutely nothing~Matt Taibbi

        by LaEscapee on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:42:23 PM PST

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        •  No, dammit. (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't waste words.  What I say is what I mean.  And I'm not being obscure either.  I'm describing how the process works, because we need to know that to actually make anything happen.  Just ignoring reality doesn't help.  Bitching about reality doesn't help.  You have to see what happens before you can make something else happen, and you're refusing to acknowledge what it is that is failing here.  CONGRESS.  The president is doing a great job.  We succeeded on that front.  But there are other fronts that have to be won for fully satisfactory results.

          A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

          by Troubadour on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 08:17:45 PM PST

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