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  •  Hamilton was devious, he was a politician after (4+ / 0-)

    all.  And the First Secretary of the Treasury.

    He had ample opportunity to establish his opinions while office, yet he didn't.  Why's that? Maybe he took extreme positions during the Constitutional Conventions as a political tactic to get to what he actually wanted and believed? A strong AND limited central government superior to the States but not so strong as to abrogate individual unalienable rights?

    Just maybe...

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:44:08 PM PST

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    •  Not interested in Hamilton (0+ / 0-)

      As I said.

      Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

      by deben on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:30:54 PM PST

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      •  Hum, is that because what he actually (1+ / 0-)
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        warned against in Federalist #84 has and is occurring?

        That due to those enumerated unalienable rights, our created government has done the following:

        They would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?

        Or is it because he goes on to warn against the very tactic you are trying to use here with us?

        Why, for instance, should it be said that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed? I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretense for claiming that power. They might urge with a semblance of reason, that the Constitution ought not to be charged with the absurdity of providing against the abuse of an authority which was not given, and that the provision against restraining the liberty of the press afforded a clear implication, that a power to prescribe proper regulations concerning it was intended to be vested in the national government

        ARE YOU NOT NOW CLAIMING THIS TO BE THE CASE WITH THE 2ND AMENDMENT? Has this not happened to all of the Bill of Rights, except maybe the 3rd...???

        Methinks so...

        Ignoring Hamilton is the only choice you have, dare not anyone actually understand the falsity of your current position.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:31:36 AM PST

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        •  Not interested in Hamilton (1+ / 0-)
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          As I said.

          btw, here's the page of historical usages from the Unabridged Oxford English Dictionary for the two entries: "regulated."

          ˈregulated, ppl. a.

          [f. prec. + -ed1.]

          a.a Governed by rule, properly controlled or directed, adjusted to some standard, etc. regulated tenancy, a tenancy the rent of which is regulated by the terms of the Rent Acts (see quot. 1965).
             Also freq. in combs., as badly-regulated, ill-regulated, well-regulated.

             1641 W. T. (title) Regulated Zeal, or, An earnest request to all Zealously affected Christians, to seeke the desired Reformation in a peaceable way.    1697 Jos. Woodward Relig. Soc. London ii. (1701) 19 Those regulated Societies, which are now conspicuous among us for many good works.    a 1704 T. Brown Satire Antients Wks. 1730 I. 16 These [verses]‥had regulated forms, that is regular dances and musick.    1766 Compl. Farmer s.v. Surveying, Then may you measure all the whole chains by your regulated chain.    a 1790 Adam Smith W.N. v. i. iii. i. (Bohn) II. 253 When those companies‥are obliged to admit any person, properly qualified,‥they are called regulated companies.    1828 Spearman Brit. Gunner (ed. 2) 336 They are fired with a regulated charge of powder and shot.    1848 Alison Hist. Europe ii. §23 I. 121 Regulated freedom is the greatest blessing in life.    1965 Act Eliz. II c. 75 §1 In this Act ‘regulated tenancy’ means—a) a tenancy to which the Rent Acts apply by virtue of this section; or b) a statutory tenancy arising on the termination of such a tenancy as is mentioned in paragraph (a) of this subsection.    1970 Internat. & Compar. Law Q. 4th Ser. XIX. ii. 206 Unfurnished tenancies under the Rent Act being either (2) ‘controlled’ or (3) ‘regulated tenancies’.

          †b.b Of troops: Properly disciplined. Obs. rare—1.

             1690 Lond. Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side.

          c.c Proverb.

             1819 ‘P. Atall’ Hermit in America i. 29 Accidents will happen in the best regulated families.    1850 Dickens Dav. Copp. xxviii. 291 ‘My dear friend Copperfield,’ said Mr. Micawber, ‘accidents will occur in the best regulated families; and in families not regulated by that pervading influence‥of Woman.’    1864 C. M. Yonge Trial II. iii. 60 Accidents will happen in the best regulated families.    1939 W. S. Maugham Christmas Holiday x. 285 Accidents will happen in the best regulated families.‥ If you find you've got anything the matter with you‥go and see a doctor right away.    1961 M. Kelly Spoilt Kill iii. 159 Foul play.‥ Even in the best regulated families.

          and

          † ˈregulate, ppl. a. Obs.

          [ad. late L. rēgulāt-us, pa. pple.: see next.]

          Regulated; regular.

             a 1577 Sir T. Smith Commw. Eng. i. viii. (1584) 7 The other they call‥the Royall power regulate by lawes.    1603 Florio Montaigne (1634) 262 Brute beasts are much more regulate than we.    1644 Cromwell Let. 10 Mar. in Carlyle, I know you will not think it fit my Lord should discharge an Officer of the Field but in a regulate way.

          Some more inconvenient truths there about controls and limits. And similar meanings: calibrated and attenuated.

          Do whatever with it you will, because I'm done with the Hamilton stuff and I've said why; and am leaving you to it. Again, thank you for your responses. You've been civil.

          Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

          by deben on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:30:47 AM PST

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