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  •  Well, it is kind of hard to judge how she (1+ / 0-)
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    would have done in another state if it had gone first because their are alot of variables in that situation. She did win the Ohio primary though. I'm guessing that if Vermont or Rhode Island was first, she would have lost those two.

    However, Clinton performed disproportionately poorly in caucuses (I think she only won a couple) and Iowa was close to her worst performance, with a distant 3rd place and less then a 3rd of the vote.

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    by tigercourse on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 10:21:49 AM PST

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    •  Oy vey, caucuses (2+ / 0-)
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      I moved from a primary state to a caucus state, and these things are so obnoxious.  Just briefly, here was my experience:

      1)  It was held at night.  It didn't wrap up until nearly 11 pm on a school night.  Automatically, you lost half of the parents of young kids, anyone who worked nights, many of the elderly, etc. Mine was in the suburbs, and no reliable form of transportation (public or taxi) was running that late.

      2)  It was in the winter.  It was sleeting and snowing and in the low teens.

      3)  We had to wait outside in the snow and sleet until "door opening" time.

      4)  Every single one of the hundreds of people participating had to be checked against voter rolls while we all stood in line.  

      5)  We STOOD IN LINE for almost 3 hours in total.  I'm only in my 30s, but have bad knees, and I was at the breaking point.  Many people gave up and left.

      6)  It was dominated by college kids.  It was held on a college campus, because it was the only place where there was space to accommodate the large turnout.  There was a bit of a culture/temperament clash between the kids and the elderly folks who'd made it through trials 1-5 above.  There was a sense that people were being "bullied" to get with the program.

      7)  It was disillusioning.  Our process required multiple votes until a consensus was built for a candidate, so there was a sort of peer pressure, stop backing your worthless candidate situation that made it feel like you weren't really participating in the process.

      IMO, all of the above contributed to why Hillary, whose supporters skewed elderly and female (moms) was disadvantaged by the caucus process.  Also why Ron Paul can reliably make a good showing at the Repub versions.

      Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré

      by milton333 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 10:43:10 AM PST

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    •  "Disproportionately poorly in caucuses" (0+ / 0-)

      HRC's campaign spent, what, over $150 million?  With that much money, if they were somehow befuddled or outmaneuvered in the caucuses, that is just plain ol' mismanagement of the campaign, not a function of caucus vs. primary or Iowa vs. Montana.

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      by MJB on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 12:29:26 PM PST

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