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  •  That would suggest that (GASP!) all Occupy (1+ / 0-)
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    Protesters are in it together!!!

    If those three people are in a conspiracy, then all Occupy Protesters are in a conspiracy.  They just proclaimed being an Occupy Protester to be illegal.

    A Republican politician wouldn't last five minutes at a GA.   These people are bringing their Direct Democracy to those that pretend to represent us.  A "Mic Check!" is simply to clear the air so that others will shut up and listen.  If enough people respect the Mic Check, they listen.  If the Mic Check is abused, they don't.  More than one politician has tried to speak at the GA's , some were willing to wait their turn - like every other human being, some were not.  The ones that waited their turn, got one.  They inevitably reach a problem or issue that doesn't sound right.  Then they get nailed with new mic checks.  When they show up at a Republican or Democratic public event, and Mic Check someone, they are voicing their displeasure and asking to respond to the person speaking - the politician.  Political speeches have become one-way communications.  Town halls for Democrats?  Armed intruders and screeching fictions.  Town halls for Republicans? Mic Checks!  So much more polite.  The People are speaking to the few that are supposed to be representing them.  When The People speak, the politician should be listening, not arresting.  If they don't listen to The People, then they are not doing the will of The People.

    #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

    by Evolutionary on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 02:48:09 PM PST

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    •  Evolutionary - not quite right (0+ / 0-)

      Being part of the Occupy movement is not a conspiracy. However, if you plan with other Occupy members to participate in any illegal act, that is technically a conspiracy.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 03:57:41 PM PST

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      •  When did protesting become an illegal activity? (1+ / 0-)
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        Should we give up trying to communicate with our "representatives", or just go straight to step 2?

        #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

        by Evolutionary on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 04:02:19 PM PST

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        •  Protesting isn't illegal (0+ / 0-)

          Working with other Occupy members to plan a protest isn't illegal and is not a conspiracy unless one of the planned actions is against the law. However, things like camping in public spaces or interferring with traffic, without a permit, are illegal activities so if the planning includes those illegal acts it can be a conspiricy. It is all very fact specific.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 04:22:24 PM PST

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          •  So when Occupy shut down the West Coast, (0+ / 0-)

            and other Occupies were out in solidarity with them, then all those people, in all those States were committing a crime???????????

            That isn't Constitutional.  My permit is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which have been whittled away for far too long.

            Not every law, ordinance, statute, or any legislation from the badge, has Constitutional validity.  The Founding Fathers would have been afraid and disgusted.

            It's about fucking time we returned our Constitutional Rights to ourselves.  There are no more public spaces, people are afraid of their government, people are out in the streets, angry with their government, and with the 1% that is in near complete control of it.

            Mayors and Police are pulling rabbits out of their asses in their quest to violently quell any kind of resistance to their Supreme Being - like Authority.  Fuck that.

            #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

            by Evolutionary on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 05:14:59 PM PST

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            •  Closing the West Coast ports (2+ / 0-)
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              The individuals who participated may have been breaking  laws, such as an illegal assembly, or blocking public streets and impeding traffic. However, few were arrested. Only the people actually planning or organizing the event would be subject to conspiracy charges. I think that is one of the reasons OWS does not have formal leaders.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 09:06:18 PM PST

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              •  All true. Well said VClib. Breaking those minor (1+ / 0-)
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                (Constitutionally valid) ordinances or statutes is the act of Civil Disobedience.  When laws, lawyers, and persons in a position of authority use those same laws, and even create new ones to limit the freedoms of the common man, we call that despotism.  Some laws are not valid (as history shows us) - they just haven't been challenged.  We are a land of laws, and we must know the difference between Constitutionally valid ones - and those that are not. But we need to remember who is in charge.
                Laws are interpreted by judges and lawyers, but not always correctly.  That's why we have levels of judicial authority.  I am surrounded by attorneys and officials every day!  I see laws challenged and held un-Constitutional and others upheld as valid.
                It's time for us every day Citizens to decide what we want the law to be.  We are the ultimate authority.  We the People get to make the rules, and all other authority figures are nothing more than servants - including Congress, the President, the Supreme Court, and on down.

                Thanks for taking part in the Great Conversation.  I value what you have to say (I may not agree, but how are we to understand anything without asking questions?).

                #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

                by Evolutionary on Fri Jan 13, 2012 at 12:15:42 PM PST

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