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  •  The mission statement itself is spin... (0+ / 0-)

    ... what they are doing is defending Allah and covering up for terrorists and others who use Islam to harm others.

    Anyone who criticizes any aspect of Islam is someone whom Loonwatch.com will brand an "Islamophobe".  But they have nothing to say in the least about the many, many, far too many people who are killed and tortured and mistreated everyday in the name of Islam.  Why?  Because the editors of Loonwatch are doing exactly what the Koran tells them to do.

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    by EricAllenBell on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 11:20:31 AM PST

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    •  which goes to prove when you have a hammer (2+ / 0-)
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      everything looks like a nail; the same charges were made against al Jazeera during the GWB administration

      •  That doesn't even make sense (0+ / 0-)

        Why can't you just come to terms with the reality that religion is a scam and that fundamentalist Islam in particular is hurting people every single day - in reality?

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        by EricAllenBell on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 08:13:34 PM PST

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        •  all fundamentalist religions are hurting people (1+ / 0-)
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          every day; it is your claim that LoonWatch is in some ways extremist vs Robert Spencer as the voice of reason I do not buy

          •  Robert Spencer is not the voice of reason... (0+ / 0-)

            ... I did not say that.  You are reading into what I've written things I am not saying.  I merely pointed out that, unlike the millions of Muslims who are using Islam to harm other people around the world, Robert Spencer does not have a bomb strapped to him and that his weapons are words.

            I don't agree with all of his words.  I'm not a fan.  I have my views on religion - that it is destructive force in the world.

            I presented in the video specifically the dangers that radical Evangelical Christianity presents very clearly.

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            by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 08:55:25 AM PST

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            •  can you cite please (2+ / 0-)
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              something to prove that it is actually "millions" of Muslims using Islam to harm people around the world?

              Let me point out that people who are fighting foreign invaders/occupiers (Iraqis, say, or Palestinians) should not automatically be counted as Islamic radicals. They may be Muslims who are fighting, but in the words of Immortal Technique,

              "If another country invaded the hood tonight / It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights / I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream / I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem / I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south... I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out..."

              So absent those who fight for territorial sovereignty, which people of all (or no) religious stripes will fight for, how do you quantify the presence of "millions of Muslims who are using Islam" ?

              "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

              by joey c on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 10:41:09 AM PST

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              •  Don't take my word for it (0+ / 0-)

                Read the Koran.  Then do a little research as to how the Koran's most violent passages are being practiced right now around the world.  This will take a little more work than quoting a barbaric rapper who had also said, "A moment of silence?  Fuck dat, I wanna moment of violence".

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                by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10:12 AM PST

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                •  implying that I don't back up my posts is foolish (1+ / 0-)
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                  given the documentation I provided you with regarding biblical quotations in this same diary's comments.

                  Similarly, trying to discredit Immortal Technique's words on the basis of other things he's said is not valid; the truth of the quoted statement stands on its own.

                  I've read significant passages of the Bible and the Koran, and what they both have impressed on me is that I would not be inspired to join either faith merely from from reading their holy works.

                  Meanwhile, you didn't really address the substance of my post and cite a course for your assertion, but rather suggested that I do my own research. I read about current events all the time, and am familiar with lamentable events taking place in many locales, including ones run by Muslims. However, I thought someone so eager to explain how "Islam IS Islamic fundamentalism" would be able to back up his assertions with something other than a list of "terrorist events" cribbed from wikipedia.

                  "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

                  by joey c on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 12:19:46 PM PST

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                  •  Read the Koran, Watch World Events... (0+ / 0-)

                    ... if you don't see a correlation there, I can't help you.

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                    by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 01:24:26 PM PST

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                    •  In other words... (1+ / 0-)
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                      ...you can't make your point.  But we already knew that.

                      Muslims and tigers and bears, oh my!

                      by JDsg on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 07:25:37 PM PST

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                      •  We? Are you part of a flock of something? (0+ / 0-)

                        My point is self evident.  

                        Read the Koran.

                        Observe world events as they pertain to Islam.

                        Connect the dots.

                        This is a first grade homework assignment.  If I gave you all the answers you would refute them anyway.  I would challenge you to suspend for a moment your preconceived notions and look at this whole thing fresh, critically, with the courage that is required to question ones own tightly held beliefs about how things ought to be.

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                        by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 08:18:18 PM PST

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                •  I humbly suggest you need to read the Koran (2+ / 0-)
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                  in the original and not depend upon Ayatollahs' and mullahs' pronouncements as Gospel.  If you do wish to continue to validate your views with "what the mullahs say", I would suggest visiting Ayatollah Sistani's site with his explanations of the Koran:  http://www.sistani.org/...

                  •  I have read the Koran... (0+ / 0-)

                    ... and the combination of it's violent passages in conjunction with how I see them being carried out has formed my view on Islamic fundamentalism.

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                    by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 01:27:21 PM PST

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                    •  consider the violent sections of the Bible (1+ / 0-)
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                      since both Muslims and Christians are offshoots of Abrahamic religion.  Cherrypicking the passages of any holy book is the root of problems and which we see the fruits of today as fundamentalists use these quotemining products to justify our most outrageous activities. Something else for your consideration:
                      http://www.foreignpolicy.com/...

                      •  Like I keep saying, the violent passages of the... (0+ / 0-)

                        ... Bible are rarely carried out anymore in contrast to the constant practice of enslaving women, punishing women for being raped, killing homosexuals, stoning people for adultery and on and on as the Koran commands.  

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                        by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 02:31:55 PM PST

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                        •  violent passages of the Bible are rarely carried (1+ / 0-)
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                          out?  I don't know how you define violence but the actions of the Religious Right to limit women's access to healthcare including abortion has not been a form of violence?  You argue that Operation Rescue is not a violent organization or that they do not have disproportionate influence?

                          It appears your myopia limits your ability to comprehend that the same number of Muslims resort to violence as do Christians. 95% of both groups are sane and pretending otherwise does not advance us in finding solutions to the problems we face today

                          •  Abortion is violent - it's a human rights abuse (0+ / 0-)

                            That issue, upon which we will undoubtedly disagree, about a woman's right to kill her baby...

                            And let's be clear, I'm not a Republican or a Christian.  That said, do you actually believe there is an equal number of Christians stoning women to death as Muslims?  Are you that far gone?

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                            by EricAllenBell on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 03:55:05 PM PST

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