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  •  I have a hard time reading this diary. (4+ / 0-)

    ALEC is a bush of thieving bastards trying to overturn the constitution, sure.  Everything they do is probably wrong.  Ok.   Many modern institutions abuse and mangle the 10th amendment to support things that are obviously untrue and to support bizarre and unconstitutional rulings.  Yup, I get that.

    But to open up with general bias against people at large who promote states rights, that's really a stretch; coming up with a viewpoint as extreme and myopic as ALEC's that looks in the other direction does not make them any more wrong.  Specifically, you start with this:

    Those who advocate States' rights would actually undo the U.S. Constitution and return us to governance under the Articles of Confederation.

    I am awfully glad to be a Yankee, and proud to be descended from those who worked the underground railroad to help free slaves into the north.  I am a firm believer in state's rights because I believe in diversity.  I may think a state is wrong, but that does not make me right!  Diversity is important to our survival, and competition between the states is healthy.  Turning the entire country into a suburb of California (for example) ruling under California law would not make us stronger as a nation, because diversity is important for survival.

    I advocate states rights to promote diversity, and because as someone else said, the governments closest to the people make the best laws for them.  I am not advocating to undo the constitution an return (not that PA was ever there) us to the governance of the Articles of Confederation, and resent the implication.

    "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." - Isaac Asimov

    by Aramis Wyler on Thu Jan 26, 2012 at 01:50:07 PM PST

    •  Thank you ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... I appreciate your input and will consider my words more carefully as I work my way through the ALEC model bills ...

    •  Perhaps you have a point . . . (6+ / 0-)

      . . . but you miss the one about ALEC.

      ALEC does not care at all about 'states rights'. Not at ALL. ALEC cares about ALEC, about exploiting any opportunity to benefit itself. ALEC does not care who pays for anything, as long as it is not them. ALEC cares about profit, with perfect disregard for costs borne by everyone else.

      The functionality of the states within the construct of the Constitution is really not in question. They have their place, they serve their purpose, and they are in their separate parts by definition subservient to the whole. E Pluribus UNUM, and all that.

      In a larger sense, what we have is the Federal government as a de facto parent setting the standards of behavior for an orphanage of disfunctional children. What ALEC wants is for the inmates to run the asylum, because they know that without adult oversight, the looting is just so much easier.

      Nobody wants to destroy the states, or take anything from them. But the very notion that the states should somehow be able to pick and choose what remnants of the Constitution should matter in what places -- you can't be serious.

      The furnace of Affliction produces Refinement, in States as well as Individuals. John Adams, 1776.

      by semiAdult on Thu Jan 26, 2012 at 02:28:36 PM PST

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      •  Would that be the "Nanny State" so many fear (1+ / 0-)
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        When you say:

        In a larger sense, what we have is the Federal government as a de facto parent setting the standards of behavior for an orphanage of disfunctional children.

        It comes across as somehow the people inside the beltway know more about how we should conduct ourselves than those who live say in Oregon.

        Some...spoke with strong and powerful voices, which proclaimed in accents trumpet-tongued,"I am beautiful, and I rule". Others murmured in tones scarcely audible, but exquisetly soft and sweet, "I am little, and I am beloved"." Armandine A.L. Dupin

        by Kvetchnrelease on Thu Jan 26, 2012 at 04:02:23 PM PST

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        •  If not for federal directives . . . (1+ / 0-)
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          . . . in the form of laws and rules, there would be no such thing as the Civil Rights Act, or the miracle of Medicare, or any recognizable environmental values in any government, local or state. Given the current ALEC imperialism movement, it would all be a constant race to the bottom, a refusal of everything, with interminable whining (not that we don't have it now) about how taxes are horrid and we should never have to do anything we don't like and over in the corner a group of them screaming "I WON'T EAT MY PEAS!!!"

          We're probably stuck with the whiners, no matter what happens. But the notion that there is some inner goodness that springs eternally from the breast of ALEC may be just a bit shy of reality. The common grunt about 'the beltway' is just covering up the neanderthal intent to bash every head that might cost them a penny. Or do you see the benevolent masters of Mississippi as role models in the construction of the future?

          The furnace of Affliction produces Refinement, in States as well as Individuals. John Adams, 1776.

          by semiAdult on Thu Jan 26, 2012 at 08:05:37 PM PST

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          •  Heartland to beltway is path paved with corruption (1+ / 0-)
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            I think most elected officials arrive in Washington with good intentions and remain accountable to their electorate. In my experience it is the insufferable staffers that assume magisterial personas who cause most of the problems for elected officials on both sides of the aisle.

            Some...spoke with strong and powerful voices, which proclaimed in accents trumpet-tongued,"I am beautiful, and I rule". Others murmured in tones scarcely audible, but exquisetly soft and sweet, "I am little, and I am beloved"." Armandine A.L. Dupin

            by Kvetchnrelease on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 06:29:28 AM PST

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            •  You probably don't want . . . (0+ / 0-)

              . . . to go down that road on the 'staffer' issue. I get verklempft about it. For me, this is a trap door into the 'term limits' idiocy, a special issue that we do not often get to really consider in detail.

              If we really did have 'term limits' in the elected government, we're saying by definition that getting elected is the only goal, that there's not enough time in office to really do much, that nobody gets to stick around long enough to even learn the job before they're gone. The only people who actually know the job are the staffers, and they're passed around among the elected ones. Basically, the details of government are totally dependent on the staffers. I don't think that's the intention.

              It's not that staffers are evil, but it's hard to imagine a situation where a faceless cadre of the unrecognized, plus a horde of lobbyist mercenaries bearing gifts, with an overlay of posturing frontmen smiling for the cameras (and the folks back home), could turn out well.

              The furnace of Affliction produces Refinement, in States as well as Individuals. John Adams, 1776.

              by semiAdult on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 10:46:36 AM PST

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      •  You are correct that ALEC only cares about ALEC. (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't miss that point, so much as that, while true, it was entirely irrelevant to my point.  

        But maybe not, maybe I should think about that some more.  I mean ALEC is only caring about ALEC, and has latched on to "State's Rights" as it's banner for pushing garbage, and that's causing people to hate on "State's Rights" unfairly, which actually IS my point.

        Maybe I could have been more clear when I said

        ALEC is a bush of thieving bastards trying to overturn the constitution, sure.  Everything they do is probably wrong.  Ok.

        "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." - Isaac Asimov

        by Aramis Wyler on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:28:14 PM PST

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    •  I agree with you about the bias (1+ / 0-)
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      Because as much as has been done wrong in the name of "states' rights", you don't have to be a neo-Confederate to see a problem with all power residing in Washington. For one, the House is really too small for proper representation of such a large country, and bringing it in line with European parliments would be a logistic nightmare. Just like a diary about NRA conspiracy theories should steer clear of needless anti-gun rhetoric, a diary about ALEC power-grabbing of this sort really doesn't need to smear people who feel that some powers should remain with the state and local governments.

      Male, 21, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, Tammy Baldwin for Senate and Recall Walker!

      by fearlessfred14 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 at 04:59:18 PM PST

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