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  •  Then diary about those policies (15+ / 0-)

    and don't smear an honorable, ancient organization--or its members--that you obviously know NOTHING about.

    There's ignorance, and then there's wilful ignorance.

    Delete this POS.

    "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

    by Sharoney on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 02:21:10 PM PST

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    •  trying to keep my distance emotionally here (12+ / 0-)

      to what the author has written and what is said in the comment thread,

      I do see in the diary another aspect. Of course the author could have just criticized the policies under which the US soldiers had or have to serve. Don't hundreds of authors here do so every day? I ask myself if that was the intention of his diary. I think he might have wanted to express something else.

      The author also speaks about what and how US soldiers are trained. I think he could have written about this sensitive issue in another fashion, knowing how difficult it is for combat veterans to face an issue like this by people, who haven't been trained and didn't go through combat and didn't have to deal with the guilt and monsters images those soldiers have to live with.

      But I think it should be ok to talk about it here on DailyKos.

      There are issues about how US soldiers are trained. The methods they use. One should be able to discuss it without trashing an author for trying to do so. There is nothing wrong with questioning training methods. It is something that deserves research and is a legitimate subject to talk about, Yes, the author could have written about it differently, and I think it may have lead to a better discussion, but he is apparently an artist and filmmaker and expresses himself the way he sees fit.

      The Winter Soldier film is a documentary. Do you discount the truth of what the soldiers testified to? You think a film like this shouldn't have been made? Because it throws the light on the tragedies those soldiers had to live through?

      I could make comparisons that would turn your stomach upside down, and so I won't make them, but I gently suggest to not only and exclusively trash this author.
      You can trash me for my support of the diary and author, if that helps. In my view, the author didn't trash any single US marine. But he listened to what US marine testified to and said and he tries to process what he saw and heard in the news. I would say that is respectable to say the least.

      I do understand why people are upset. That's one side to look at this diary, there are other sides as well, which are drowned in the uproar of the commentators. What you demand is that we look away and take situations and incidences as "a given" and demand them to be buried for the sake of not hurting our conscience and those of the Veterans, who have already been hurt through the actual incidents they had been involved in. I do understand that very well, and I have a lot of respect of mother nature, who graciously lets "grow grass over the worst atrocities and wounds" in time (there is wisdom in it, I think), but I also respect transparency and  people who don't deny the realities and speak up.

      IMO there is no reason to demand this diary to be deleted.

      •  One might note that Democratic Party (3+ / 0-)
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        presidential candidate John Kerry, a great war hero, would probably support this diary.

      •  Huh. (4+ / 0-)
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        I do see in the diary another aspect. Of course the author could have just criticized the policies under which the US soldiers had or have to serve. Don't hundreds of authors here do so every day? I ask myself if that was the intention of his diary. I think he might have wanted to express something else.

        Well, good for you. Do you really want to be known as an apologist for ignorance, Mimi? A perpetrator of false equivalency? An excuser of calumny against an entire hundred-plus years of honorable service from someone who didn't even have the BALLS to sign up himself, and nevertheless brags about him and his girlfriend's fighting prowess, as if that had anything to do with anything in this shameful hit piece?

        This diary is an object lesson in why I don't bother coming here anymore--not even so much the diary, because idiots abound no matter where one looks--but in the way people I heretofore respected as having some sense of perspective have lent their uncritical applause to the worst crap I have read in a long time to a POS diary so as to burnish their shiny bright antiwar creds.

        "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

        by Sharoney on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 07:00:49 PM PST

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        •  You have a talent of writing with passion (3+ / 0-)
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          and I take it I have to live with my bad reputation of being an apologist for ignorance. I am sorry for that. I try to read up though, so I am not that much of a lost case.

        •  Facts are stubborn things (4+ / 0-)
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          If you are disputing any in my diary, I'd like to hear about it and see your proof.

          I am saying that we have killed millions of people around the world that we had no business killing. There is nothing honorable in that.

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 09:37:39 PM PST

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          •  You haven't present any facts to dispute. (1+ / 0-)
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            You've presented some half-assed, misinformed opinions masquerading (poorly) as facts.

            "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.." - John F. Kennedy: Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961. We are the 99%.

            by IndieGuy on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 10:04:03 AM PST

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