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  •  Tell that to the thousands of kids who graduate (3+ / 0-)
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    high school and don't know what to do with their lives, who feel that they can start a career in the military.

    The military, and especially the Marine Corps has been a salvation to many people I know. When you come from a terrible life, with no hope for a future, the military can help. It is not a choice for everyone, but many who have made the choice do not regret it.

    AND WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE IN 2011? -- Susan from 29

    by voracious on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 03:12:25 PM PST

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    •  I trust this was directed at somebody else (5+ / 0-)

      As I think my comment makes clear, I completely agree with you.  My father-in-law was one of those kids.  He graduated from a high school in a small town in Iowa to parents without much money or education.  He joined the Navy because he wanted to see the ocean, and then after a couple of years as an enlisted guy, was selected for the Naval Academy.  He got to see the ocean up a lot closer than he had ever wanted to when the first ship to which he was assigned as a junior officer was torpedoed.

      Neither my wife nor I had ever heard our fathers talk much about their WWII experiences until the night before we were married, when they discovered that my father-in-law's cruiser had been just off the fantail of my father's aircraft carrier when my father-in-law's ship was torpedoed.  They stayed up until the small hours of the morning talking about their experiences

      PROUD to be a Democrat!

      by leevank on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 03:19:54 PM PST

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    •  My father joined the Corps (11+ / 0-)

      after Pearl Harbor.

      He talked about it the way Ivy League grads talk about their college years. He doesn't boast about what he was required to do. He just did it. The only reason he didn't get sent to Iwo Jima with so many of his buddies is because he was a radioman, calling in artillery (which put him on the very front lines, BTW, Clay, not that you would know anything about that) and was summoned stateside to train on a new radio system while that horrible slaughter raged.

      Growing up, I was a DFH who was against the Vietnam War. My father, having lived through the hell that is war, was not. We had different worldviews. But damn it, I learned about what war is really about at his knee (unlike the diarist, who sees it as an opportunity to brag about his deadly fighting skillz), and he respected my right to differ with him on policy matters. That kind of perspective and respect was a core value that the Corps taught him, along with his two marksmanship awards and a fruit salad of service honors that decorated the beautiful uniform we buried him in three years ago.

      He taught me about what the tradition of military service meant to the guys (and gals--he was "Gunny" to the numerous and amazing female Marines under his command when he retired) who chose to serve our country and whose service informed what they did and the persons they became for the rest of their lives. He taught me about integrity and honor. He taught me through the endless, lively kitchen-table debates that we had that it's OK if you disagree with your country's policies, but you'd better go in knowing what the fuck you're talking about first if you're going to go head-to-head with someone who actually put his ass on the line when his country called on him to do so.

      Dammit, now I'm crying. I miss him so....

      A diary like this is like garbage thrown at everything that is honorable about military service and should be deleted, at minimum. Fuck you, Clay (if that is your real name, you shill) for writing this. Delete it.

      "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

      by Sharoney on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 03:25:58 PM PST

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    •  that is very true, but no reason to close your (2+ / 0-)
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      eyes about the fact that the experiences you have to go through in the wars can cause as much a terrible life for those, who are involved in it and survive the war afterwards.

      We don't want for those, who choose to join the military, because they come from a terrible life, to have to risk  more of a terrible life getting out the wars and surviving traumatic experiences. Nobody should regret to have chosen to serve. But nobody should have to suffer the consequences of war either, the burden should be shared among the whole population to make it more bearable and fair.

      •  So you agree (0+ / 0-)

        with the diarist that Marines are trained to be "serial killers"?

        Yes or no, mimi. You can't have it both ways. Either you think this Piece of Shit diary is fair in its assessment of service members or not.

        "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

        by Sharoney on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 07:16:34 PM PST

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        •  no, I don't agree with the wording. (1+ / 0-)
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          They are not trained to become "serial killers', but apparently their training isn't good enough to prevent some of the soldiers acting out like as if they were. The culture of pretty much accepting hazing, deliberate cruelty, trophy mentality as something normal shows that the training is not bullet proof and there are reasons to be critical not of the individual soldier, but of the training methods used.

          And sure I can have it both ways, because seldom is anything just black and white.  

          •  You made my point for me. (0+ / 0-)

            The diarist smeared the entire Marine Corps for the actions of some assholes whose actions besmirched the service.

            THAT'S what I and many others objected to. Not the trophy mentality.

            But that didn't stop the unthinking pile-on here against those of us who don't have a binary mentality when it comes to members of the armed services.

            "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

            by Sharoney on Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 08:06:07 PM PST

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