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  •  Revisionism is fun! (0+ / 0-)
    I'm only repeating what some Marines said. (3+ / 0-)
    It may be stuff you'd rather not hear about, but I'm convinced that both that I cited in this dairy are telling the truth.

    In both cases I provide video testimony to what some US Marines did in two wars.

    So are you backing off from your blanket calumny of all Marines as "serial killers" using your extra-speshul personally invented definition of that term?

    Weasel words now don't excuse your diary.

    "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

    by Sharoney on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 12:30:20 PM PST

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    •  You mis-quote me. (3+ / 0-)

      I never said all Marines are serial killers, I said the Marine Corps trains and creates serial killers.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 03:22:44 PM PST

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      •  Parsing is fun, too. (0+ / 0-)

        More weasel words.

        "The truth will set you free...but first it'll piss you off." - Gloria Steinem

        by Sharoney on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 10:45:25 PM PST

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        •  Strafe the town and kill the people (0+ / 0-)

          Do you know this song? Not as well known as the Marine Corps hymn, I'll grant you, still I understand its been sung by our soldiers in the field for more than a half century.

          Strafe the town and kill the people
          Drop your napalm in the square,
          Take off early Sunday morning
          Catch them while they're still at pray

          Drop some candy to the orphans,
          And as the kiddies gather 'round.
          Use your twenty-millimeter,
          To mow the little bastards down.

          I've got recordings of US soliders, army or marine, I'd have to check, singing this in Vietnam and decades later in Iraq.

          But I understand it first orginated in the Korea War. Would you know of a source for that? I'd like to get a recording of it being sung there also.

          I know that will be unlikely seeing that recording devices were very rare in the early '50s. Even the Vietnam recording was a lucky find. A solider had access to a reel-to-reel recorder and sent tapes to his son and the son kept them. If you like, I can post it here. The Iraq one can be found in the documentary "Ground Truths" which I'm sure you would also demand be deleted.

          Please stop trying to hide the realities of war, and those organizations responsible for perpetrating them like the United States Marine Corps.

           

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Tue Jan 17, 2012 at 10:44:12 AM PST

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        •  OK, you have internalized the job of professional (2+ / 0-)
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          genethefiend, Clay Claiborne

          killer as an entirely honorable and acceptable enterprise. You defend it passionately and intensely as the most American or natural thing in the world. It doesn't matter what uniform is covering it up. It is still what it is. You believe a USMC uniform is somehow special because it doesn't do the same things in essence a USN or USAF or Green Army or SAS or Republican Guard or Gurkhas or French Foreign Legion does?  You don't know or choose not to know what they all do.

          You want parse words?  We have after Vietnam a volunteer, professional army because an all conscript army coming out of a democratic tradition is just too difficult to keep disciplined for wet work and unjustifiable homicides. And the powers that be know it and don't want the risks of massive rebellions and uprisings.  They take 1/2 of 1% of the population and they use them any way they, the leadership sees fit.

          We, the actual persons confronting this have choices for now. Some of us in the services as lifers are slated to repeat this theme of doing the dirty work that any conscious ethical person given forewarning and  a clear choice would refuse over and over.

          Parse it any way you want.  It is still glorifying something this country was founded to get away from and oppose as inimical to a free and decent people.

          If you think that you and a bunch of other people can just show up on Wall St, camp out and have any effect whatsoever.... well, you will be run off in 20 minutes., you will leave town having wasted your effort 6/18/11.

          by BeeDeeS on Tue Jan 17, 2012 at 01:06:52 PM PST

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