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  •  Are you worried the diarist is making money? (0+ / 0-)

    If so, here you go:

    I am completely anti-war, but I am completely in support of the people who are sent to fight those wars.

    I am also and that is why I'm posting this.

    •  Not my worry about $, just clarity of source. (0+ / 0-)

      IMHO the diary was sloppily researched and set the bar by which the film should be viewed and judged.
      Disclosing the source makes it easier to know how many "grains of salt" should be taken from the get-go.

      Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy.

      by Thousandwatts on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 01:04:03 PM PST

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      •  Actually if you have viewed the video you would (0+ / 0-)

        understand a little better how the diarist ended up framing his diary the way he did. There was a saying about the Vietnam War by those who fought it - "Never again".

        But, it happened again as you have stated.

        The US military not only went to war based on a lie, it also ended up slaughtering untold thousands of innocent civilians directly due to the command chain within the military combined with basic training.

        Marines are not trained to win hearts and minds. They are not peacekeepers. They are a trained lethal weapon designed to kill. Unfortunately the military does not know how to undue this training upon their discharge and leaves many mentally, morally and emotionally crippled. Sometimes for life.

        In their own words:
        Winter Soldier - Breakdown of the Military

        I do agree the diary should have been much better because this is an important issue - especially as the drums of war are starting to beat for Iran.

        (BTW, the diarist and myself do not agree in the least on the Libyan situation and have had many antagonistic posts in the past. He supported the "humanitarian" angle - I don't but this is not the diary for this.)

        •  "Never again" was a popular saying (0+ / 0-)

          after Saigon fell and the war ended.
          It was on bumper stickers and posters. It was part of the common anti-war vernacular of a war-weary generation.
          It's not about how the diarist "framed" his diary.
          It's about individual incidents presented as widespread general truths with regard to an entire organization.
          It's about someone writing a diary "framed" to indict a particular group for heinous behavior and not having done due diligence and learning how to spell the name of the organization.
          I am aware of the heritage of the Marine Corps; my step-father was a Marine rifleman and as a kid I wanted to follow in his footsteps. I have a letter from a Marine Corps recruiter advising my 15 year old ass that I would be more value to the Corps if I stayed in school and finished high school. It wasn't too much later than I had a mental come-to-Jesus and realized that war was not all Sgt. Fury and GI Joe or Gomer Pyle and decided against enlisting.
          My issue with the diary is a lack of consideration for the gravity of the topics discussed and the assertions being made; a lack of respect for the subject indicated by the lack of research and the unnecessarily graphic descriptions for the subject at hand.
          And saying stupid shit like being a green belt in karate or taking a shooting course is even in the same ballpark as the subject being discussed.
          The Marine Corps is the tip of the spear; but to characterize them as killers that the government needs to know how to

          undue this training
          (sic) is more broad brushed unqualified, opinionated bullshit.  

          Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy.

          by Thousandwatts on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 03:40:17 PM PST

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          •  I'll leave you with the following documentary (0+ / 0-)
            War in the Mind

            Senator and L. General (Retired) Roméo Dallaire also plays a major role in this film. For many years he has heroically spoken out in public to declare that he suffered intensely from PTSD and had attempted suicide. And today he continues to campaign on behalf of all soldiers who suffer.

            War in the Mind also investigates the issue of soldier suicide. Statistics from past and present wars tell the sad story of the magnitude of this problem. Families who have felt invisible, their sons' stories unacknowledged, tell of the impact of their loss.

            Yet this film also discovers that with effective treatment suicide can be prevented. Our cameras gained unique access to a UBC/Canadian Legion program which helps soldiers undo the wiring that military training has implanted in their brains, confront their pain, and learn to live again.

            If you don't know who Roméo Dallaire is try googling....

            •  I am familiar with him and thanks. n/t (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Claudius Bombarnac, Vetwife

              Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy.

              by Thousandwatts on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 06:02:55 PM PST

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              •  Here's a Frontline report on the same problem (0+ / 0-)

                from an American perspective.

                The following is chapter two which shows how soldiers are trained to instinctively kill and the problems that occur when they return from the battlefield without "retraining" to undo the mental conditioning they received during training.

                The Psychological Impact of War [14:35]

                Entire program:

                The Soldier's Heart

                U.S. Marine Rob Sarra had been in the military for eight years when the war in Iraq began. A sergeant in charge of a unit of 32, he was considered part of the "tip of the spear" -- among the first troops to reach Baghdad. In late March 2003, Sarra opened fire on an Iraqi woman in a black burqa he suspected was a suicide bomber, prompting others in his unit to begin firing as well. Her body torn apart by bullets, the woman fell quickly to the ground. It was only then that Rob saw she held a small white flag.

                "Right then and there I was just like, what the hell happened? I was crying, hysterical…this woman got killed by my actions," Sarra tells FRONTLINE. "I wasn't going to talk to anyone about it. But little did I know it kind of worked itself back up to the surface when I came home."

                Sarra is one of thousands of U.S. soldiers returning from Iraq free from physical injury but haunted by memories from the battlefield. In "The Soldier's Heart," FRONTLINE explores the psychological cost of war and investigates whether the military is doing enough to help the many combat veterans coming home with emotional problems. With unprecedented access to active duty service members at Camp Pendleton, a Marine base in San Diego, and through interviews with mental health experts both in and out of the military and members of a Camp Pendleton support group, FRONTLINE uncovers one of the underreported stories from the war in Iraq.

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