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  •  Although I made a few comments... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...on the original diary, I personally wouldn't have gone to the bother of writing a diary against the original.  That diary is small potatoes, written by a typical Islamophobe, of which EAB is one of several at Daily Kos.  He has some legitimate criticisms of Muslim society, which many Muslims would agree with. In other areas, such as his understanding of Islam and its theology, he's terribly shallow.  Most Muslims would not waste their time trying to rebut his positions because of the waste of time in dealing with such ignorance.  That's probably the best approach to take from here on out, insha'allah.

    Muslims and tigers and bears, oh my!

    by JDsg on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 06:44:57 AM PST

    •  The irrational fear of Islam = Islamophobia (1+ / 0-)
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      Let us not confuse that with a ration concern, lest be fall victim to overreacting, name-calling and (as is the case in today's article about me in Loonwatch.com) demanding censorship.

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      by EricAllenBell on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:48:43 AM PST

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      •  Your fears are NOT RATIONAL (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you see that? Calling most Muslim countries barbaric is not rational? Even Hitchens wouldn't say something like that Bell. Saying Spencer is a "rational scholar" is not rational. Believing that "Islamic terror" is more of a threat than it is, is not rational.

        •  I don't know if Spencer IS ration... (0+ / 0-)

          I stated that he presents himself that way and more importantly if you make him mad he's not going to blow himself up or put a fatwa on you - which is a very real risk for someone in my position who dares to suggest in a public forum that within Islam there might be room for improvement.

          I don't know that most Islamic countries are barbaric.  Islamic theocracy certainly is.

          Finally, if I feared Islam I would not have written what I wrote.   So to slap the label of "Islamophobe" onto me - meaning a person with an irrational fear of Islam - does not fit and you know it does not fit.

          Your entire response to my article is rooted in a kind of hysteria.

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          by EricAllenBell on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 03:00:14 PM PST

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          •  You still don't get it... (2+ / 0-)
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            Exactly, you said he presents himself in that way. A person who has said what I enumerated above is not even "presenting" himself rationally. Yes, or no? What is your definition of rationality?

            What is Islamic theocracy? Is there a set model for this? Are Iran and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia the same? Is Turkey to you an Islamic theocracy? How many Islamic theocracies in the world are there? Remember you are the one that said most Muslim countries are barbaric. Up to you to defend that assertion.

            Someone in your position? Who the hell are you anyway? Who has put a fatwa on you? Have you reported any death threats to the FBI? Sounds like you are full of BS.

            I know many braver individuals than you, who will condemn true terrorism, i.e. state terrorism, and are not overly focused on little shithead AlQaeda twerps whose threat is miniscule. Atheists who have left Islam like As'ad Abu Khalil are heroes to many PRACTICING MUSLIMS because they know Islam, they know Muslim societies WAY BETTER THAN YOU EVER COULD, and because they don't follow Orientalist and essentialist arguments, as you do, whether intentionally or not. They have never been threatened with a fatwa, in fact they live and speak freely in the Muslim world!

            •  Get a hold of yourself (0+ / 0-)
              What is Islamic theocracy? Is there a set model for this? Are Iran and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia the same? Is Turkey to you an Islamic theocracy? How many Islamic theocracies in the world are there?

              TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS:

              An Islamic theocracy is a state run by Islamic Law.  

              I don't believe there is an agreed upon set model for this.

              Iran is Shia and Saudi Arabia is Wahabi Sunni.  They do not see eye to eye on many things, and yet both countries punish women for being raped, execute homosexuals, teach Jew hating institutionally in their schools, and many other acts of violence and barbarism.

              My sense with regard to Afghanistan is that they will likely return to one of the most brutal Islamic theocracies and that is the Taliban.  Are you going to defend the Taliban now?

              Turkey is clearly an Islamic country, but arguably not an Islamic theocracy.  I say "arguably" because they do pay for mosques and thus if a non-Muslim were a citizen of Turkey, through taxation they would be forced to fund the teaching of Islam against their will.

              I don't know how many Islamic theocracies there are, but  the number is sure to rise given that Tunisia and Libya have now instituted Islamic Law and Egypt appears to be heading in that same direction.

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              by EricAllenBell on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 03:50:49 PM PST

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