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  •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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    Marc in KS, oregonj

    I have a question for anyone in the know.

    Why isn;t Canada simply building their own much shorter pipeline to their Pacific coast and exporting the oil themselves?

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    by GayIthacan on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 09:49:34 AM PST

    •  I think (0+ / 0-)

      the mountains....

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      by Marc in KS on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 09:59:54 AM PST

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        Um.....

        The Pipeline from the North Slope of Alaska to Valdez has to transit several mountain chains.

        Which is why God invented pumping stations. :D

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        by GayIthacan on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:05:20 AM PST

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    •  The Rocky Mountains... (0+ / 0-)

      They do have plans for a west coast pipeline but it's much cheaper-- and far less time consuming--  to run it through the US Great Plains to the Gulf.
      Also, much of the northern branch of the Keystone is already constructed so it will be fewer linear miles.

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        Now we're getting somewhere.

        If substantial portions are already in place, that makes sense. And I suppose the lower initial cost due to geography does make some sense.....

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        by GayIthacan on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:12:27 AM PST

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    •  The alternative is call Northern Gateway (1+ / 0-)
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      This is the proposed alternative that would go   to Kitmat BC in the beautiful Pacific Rainforest fjords - and is facing huge Canadian opposition, especially from First Nations.  The Conservative party in Ottawa is completely corrupted by the Alberta and intl. oil interests.

      This  is some brutal and  very ugly inside  politics in Canada.

      "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist."

      by oregonj on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:15:05 AM PST

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    •  Canada is building the Enbridge pipeline (9+ / 0-)

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      That's the plan and there are many protests, especially by First Nations people who plan to put up roadblocks to it, both physically and legally. It will cross rivers and streams and pristine wilderness.

      Pipe-up Against Enbridge

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      by Agathena on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:20:02 AM PST

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        OK - that makes sense - the same groups that opposed the Alaska Pipeline are trying to block this one. Makes perfect sense.

        Thanks guys! :D :D XOXOXOXO

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        by GayIthacan on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:23:08 AM PST

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      •  Not building it yet (1+ / 0-)
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        It faces stiff opposition from First Nations and it is very unpopular in B.C.

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        by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:26:21 AM PST

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        •  Bill McKibben, Jan 16 on Enbridge (4+ / 0-)
          Since a majority of Canadians, according to the polls, also oppose the [Enbridge Northern Gateway] pipeline, I'll be in good company. But Oliver, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the organizers of the Ethical Oil campaign don't want any out-side voices. As the latter explained on its website, "It's our pipeline. Our country. Our jobs. And our decision."

          Fair enough. But you know some-thing? The atmosphere belongs to all of us. There's not some wall at the 49th parallel that separates Canada's air from everyone else's. Since the oilsands is the second biggest source of carbon on the planet, that makes their development everyone's business. As NASA's James Hansen, the planet's premier climatologist, put it recently, if you heavily develop the oil-sands, it's "essentially game over for the climate."


          Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/...

          ❧To thine ownself be true

          by Agathena on Wed Jan 18, 2012 at 10:42:10 AM PST

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