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  •  Get over yourself, please.... (5+ / 0-)

    People can disagree with you, YOU can think they are wrong, but to ask them to "accept that they are wrong and move on" is just being a @#$*! for no good reason other than stroking your own ego. It's apparent you think highly of yourself and have no patience for dissenters of your opinion. Too bad.

    Yes, the votes that are counted are the ones that count. I get it. I'm not a moron. I understand the voting and counting PROCESS for those that show up. But to ignore the fact that many registered Democrats who could vote and are choosing to not vote for whatever reason (and that there are ways to increase the numbers that show up) is beyond logic.

    Rethug policies to address: 1) Overturn Citizens United via a Constitutional Amendment, 2) Reinstate Glass-Steagall and uh...let's see...the third rethug policy to eliminate is...umm...thought it was written on my hand...I can't..sorry...oops

    by Kim from Pgh PA on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:53:26 AM PST

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    •  No, the failure in logic (0+ / 0-)

      is assuming that those alleged Dems who did not vote, really would have voted for the Dem candidate.  You miss the obvious observation:  they did not vote for a reason, presumably because they did not want to vote for the Dem candidate and refused to vote for the republican.  The oftheard reason is:  it doesn't matter either way, we'll still get screwed.  That is not a vote for the republican.  That is vote lost by the Democrat for failing to offer that voter something that will motivate him/her to vote for the candidate.  

      And I don't understand your outrage at Florida.  S/he merely stated that your "not voting is a vote for the republican" is empirically false.  Rather than admitting this, you doubled-down and try to rationalize this false argument a second time.  It's not arrogance.  It's simply expecting that a discussion on  this site will be governed by the rules of logic and reason.  

      •  Yes, and more inconvenient truths... (2+ / 0-)

        ... like the unpleasant fact that more Florida Democrats voted for Bush in 2000 than the total number of votes Nader got across all classes of voters. That year in my own state of Washington, a Democrat beat a Republican by only two thousand votes out of a couple million cast. It seems that some of the people who voted for Nader may also have voted for her, and helped put her over the top. Would they have still voted if Nader hadn't been on the ballot? Maybe, maybe not, but it seems likely that his presence on the ballot made a few more people vote than would have otherwise, and it helped out down-ballot in a tangible and measurable way.

        The real takeaway from all of this seems to be, at least in part, "get better candidates." After that, "work like hell."

    •  People can disagree that gravity exists or that (1+ / 0-)
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      climate change occurs, too. Pointing out that they're wrong is a good quality, although occasionally pointless.

      In fact I'd argue you need to get over yourself. That you have an opinion, and that you are entitled to have it, doesn't mean it's a good opinion or based on anything resembling facts. Claiming that not voting is a vote for an opponent is simply not a fact-based claim. It's that simple.

      •  Not voting (0+ / 0-)

        doesn't add a vote for the Republican, but it can prevent the Democrat from winning. And yes, this is exactly how we got stuck with Rick Scott. It was a VERY close race, he won by less then 2%. If more democrats had come out and voted, likely Alex Sink would have won, and then we'd have the already agreed on rail going forward, funds for the Disabled and Independent living and Vets likely wouldn't have been cut, we wouldn't be dealing with the stupid "drug test welfare recipients" law, and we wouldn't be arguing against ACA in court.
        Can I say for certain that those who stayed home would have all voted for Sink? No, but given that Dems had a very low turn out, I think it very likely that we wouldn't now have a felon in the Governor's mansion in Tallahassee.

        So while the statement of "not voting is a vote for an opponent" is not literally true, it is in essence figuratively true as it's one less vote for the person or party you support.

        "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

        by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 05:59:31 PM PST

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