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  •  Not that Newt is a great candidate... (1+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State

    but I have to agree with him. After all, it's much like judging President Clinton for playing around in the White House. Both of them are men with issues that obviously need to be dealt with but I'm not sure either issue would be worth starting a Presidential debate.

    That said, the choices on the Republican side are very sad indeed. But, then, I never expected to see a progressive Republican candidate for 2012. Probably not for 2014 either.

    Obama has my vote by default.

    •  But I'm not judging Newt here in a vacuum. (6+ / 0-)

      I'm judging him in the context of the audience to whom he was playing.

      Ye olde South. By all accounts, this will be one of the most regressive, religious electorates of the campaign.

      For Newt to lambast the moderator for asking about such a revelation (the 'open marriage'), instead of simply acknowledging bad acts and asking for forgiveness (which is what the Republicans caught in the act generally do), in front of this audience?

      I disagree with you that it's even in the same ballpark as Clinton's sexcapades with the Intern.

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      by Angie in WA State on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 02:34:16 AM PST

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      •  I know the south would hate him for what he did... (1+ / 0-)
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        but most Southern states would hate any candidate I would like. Goes with the territory.

        Sex is personal issue. A married couple has the right to conduct their marriage as they see fit. It is not a topic of conversation for a presidential debate.

        Seems to me like Newt gave wife number two a chance to say no to their future marriage with a request like that. I think he was being pretty damn honest about the way he wanted to live. I just wish he would transfer more of that honesty to the rest of his life.

        •  Spoke with my husband about this one this (1+ / 0-)
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          morning too.

          He corrected me and said that the conversation about open marriage came up only after they were married. Does make him more of a swine. Still does not make it first question of a debate worthy. You just know it was done for theatrical effect.

        •  Not at all (3+ / 0-)
          Seems to me like Newt gave wife number two a chance to say no to their future marriage with a request like that. I think he was being pretty damn honest about the way he wanted to live.

          If I understand the situation correctly, he only suggested the "open marriage" option AFTER he'd been having the affair with Callista for several years, and after he and Marianne had been married for 18 years or so. He wasn't asking her opinion of the concept, he was weasling out of leaving her for another woman pointblank and making it seem like he was giving her the option of just continuing the marriage under slimy circumstances. No honor there...

          "What would you think me if I were capable of seating myself at a table and gorging myself with food and saw about me the children of my fellow beings starving to death." - Eugene Victor Debs

          by DianeNYS on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 06:23:25 AM PST

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      •  but but but (1+ / 0-)
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        TrueBlueMajority

        haven't we learned that the bible belt type of people regularly and frequently commit adultery? even more than us lefties? also physical and mental abuse of their children?

        they love them their religion, but in real life they love them their sex and violence even more

    •  I'm happy you're on board Angie, but (3+ / 0-)

      I don't agree with this:

      but I have to agree with him. After all, it's much like judging President Clinton for playing around in the White House. Both of them are men with issues that obviously need to be dealt with but I'm not sure either issue would be worth starting a Presidential debate.
      Newt is different from Clinton, because Newt has made it a campaign plank to protect the sanctity of marriage by denying gay people the right to marry.  I believe hypocrisy like this is something that needs to be called out.  Starting a debate with it may seem shallow, but the actual positions of Newt v. Romney are not substantially different on most issues.  

      Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

      by SottoVoce on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 05:34:44 AM PST

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