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  •  I think we have to avoid solipsism here. (6+ / 0-)

    We're online so Net freedom it's unusually important to us.  But some people are soldiers and getting the hell out of Afghanistan is unusually important to them; some people are unemployed and job creation is unusually important to them, and some people are (what's that word?) women and reproductive freedom is unusually important to them.  It's unseemly for bloggers and Net entrepreneurs to make this issue a permanent deal-breaker for anyone's political future when so many people who are wrong on one or more of those other issues, or at least not nearly as right as they could be, don't get that kind of vilification.

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 11:33:34 AM PST

    •  All of those issues you raised that are (4+ / 0-)

      important to me would go without much needed debate if SOPA/PIPA were to be enacted.  It is likely that this blog could not survive under that legislation.

      There is a reason why people get so worked up about protecting speech and that's largely because it pretty much is the preferred method of addressing all of the issues that you have cited above.

      •  True, but Kos is suggesting that even if KG... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...changes her position, he won't forget that she was initially wrong.  He's letting this issue press his buttons in a way that other issues don't.

        But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

        by Rich in PA on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 11:48:02 AM PST

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        •  He's got other issues that push his buttons (0+ / 0-)

          to this extent and always has.

          He'll get over it assuming she makes moves that show some sort of reason and intelligence on this issue.  If she doesn't, people will eventually look back at this and say he was right to call her out.  That's how political debate works.

        •  That's Not The Issue (3+ / 0-)
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          The issue is the weasel-worded non-retreat retreat. A straightforward "this is a bad bill, and there's nothing to be done with it but put a stake through its heart and bury it at the crossroads" statement would do just fine.

          On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

          by stevemb on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 12:48:37 PM PST

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