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  •  This is funny. (9+ / 0-)

    I love seeing people give kos shit for pointing out asshattery on Gillibrand's part.

    Here's an idea: Whether it's Gillibrand, Obama, or any Republican, it's our duty as thinking Americans to point out bullshit.

    Oh, and Chris Dodd is a douchebag.

    •  Except that he's making it up (1+ / 0-)
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      on his own assumptions and reading things into her words that just flat out aren't there.

      If he, or anyone, wants to criticize her for supporting the bill in the first place then that is appropriate because she did.

      But he's creating all sorts of conjecture about motivations here for which there isn't a shred of support in what she actually said.

      I understand losing focus on an issue that is important to you. I've done it. Most of us do. And I think that is what has happened here.

      "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

      by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 12:04:02 PM PST

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    •  Kos defends Dems till he gets hurt directly (3+ / 0-)
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      Some of the rest of us stand up for the principles the party stood for during the Bush years, even though Obama is doing the same things and worse.

      Here's an idea:  protest indefinite detention, covert surveillance, SOPA, PIPA, drone assassinations, the war on drugs, maximum deportations, and so on, and so on, rather than just  rooting for team Democrat.

      A new year, a time for many changes. Some we will like, some we won't.

      by Tommy Allen on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 12:06:40 PM PST

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    •  Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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      "asshattery".  She changed her mind and now wants to start over on a piracy bill.  So if she's an asshat for coming around to the right way of thinking, what would she be is she stubbornly stood behind SOPA?

      •  Standing behind SOPA/PIPA in the first place means (6+ / 0-)

        that you're ignorant of the technology behind the internet, and quite frankly, the entire "culture" of the internet.

        ...and I have never been one to approve of ignorance.

        •  Not everyone is as enlightened as the DKos (0+ / 0-)

          community about the workings of the Internet. She supported a bill that she thought would help and has now learned that it will hurt more than it helps. So she stepped back from her support. So, what, now she should be attacked because she doesn't know the details of how the Internet works? BREAKING NEWS - Gillibrand, like most people in the world, have no fucking idea how the Internet works. But, at least, she's willing to listen. Apparently that's not good enough for you and others.

          •  No. (3+ / 0-)
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            Odysseus, Laconic Lib, Brown Thrasher

            I worked at an internet provider starting in '94.  The Congress that passed the DMCA showed they were clueless as to the workings of the internet.  However, this was understandable as it was a new medium, and these people were OLD.

            Sen. Gillibrand is only 45.  She was in her 20's when the internet first came about.  I find it hard to believe that she's clueless as to how the internet works.  Is it more likely that a Gen X'er is clueless about the internet, or that she has been lobbied by the MPAA/RIAA to be against the bill?

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