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  •  I am normally (4+ / 0-)

    not in the business of defending politicians against activists - at all - but I don't get this. She was supporting something terrible and then when she stopped and when she urged others to stop... that's when she gets criticism?

    ??

    Read my stuff at burn after writing and The Huffington Post @indiemcemopants on Twitter

    by indiemcemopants on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 12:04:40 PM PST

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    •  Exactly... (3+ / 0-)

      I understand criticizing her for supporting it in the first place. But here she is acknowledging that criticism and changing gears as result... and she still gets criticized? That part I don't agree with.

      "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

      by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 12:08:16 PM PST

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      •  It's weird. (3+ / 0-)

        Dkos front page:

        The president finally stopped standing in the way of 80% of Americans who wanted DADT repealed! He did this after blocking Rep Murphy's bill and attempting to delay repeal into 2012! This is a historic achievement! President Obama is The Best President Ever!


        Senator Gillibrand used to support a bill she realized is wrong and backed off on, urging others to stop supporting it as well! She sucks and tries to have things both ways!

        Read my stuff at burn after writing and The Huffington Post @indiemcemopants on Twitter

        by indiemcemopants on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 12:30:25 PM PST

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      •  Supporting it breaks trust (2+ / 0-)
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        Gillibrand was wrong, and continued to be wrong right up to the point where there was a massive internet shit storm and the bill became radioactive.

        The truth is, there is a lot of wrong legislation that will be written and voted on, and there aren't going to be giant internet-stopping protests every time.

        •  Yes, that's true (0+ / 0-)

          but her track record is one of being on the right side of most issues regardless of whether there is a shitstorm or not.

          While I am in complete agreement that these were bad bills that needed to be stopped I also think that they were classic examples of the difficult in crafting good legislation. Piracy is a very real problem that needs a solution. Trying to solve that problem does not make one a bad legislator. Coming up with a solution that is perhaps worse than the original problem only highlights the difficulty in these situations. I don't personally think the folks supporting the bill are inherently bad people. On some bills it's pretty cut and dried. But as much as I oppose this one I don't agree with a lot of what I perceive as over the top rhetoric. Particularly at some one who acknowledges the problems and tries to fix them and then backs off completely from our pressure. We want legislators that are responsive.

          Peace,

          Andrew

          "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

          by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 03:18:04 PM PST

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      •  Mealy mouthed follow up quotes from her (0+ / 0-)

        deserve criticism.  Start over??? Rewrite the bill??? Improve it???  All of those are suggest that she hasn't really seen the light yet.

        Having a policy does not mean receiving care. -- Tzimisce

        by Miggles on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 09:11:23 PM PST

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        •  No, they suggest that she (0+ / 0-)

          recognizes there is an actual problem that needs solving.

          This is not an all or nothing bill. There is a real problem that needs a solution. This was a bad solution. Do you therefore abandon all efforts to solve the actual problem? No. You go back to the drawing board and re-write the bill to craft a better solution that doesn't cause problems in its own right.

          "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

          by Andrew C White on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 12:19:46 PM PST

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