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  •  I have enough. (6+ / 0-)
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    I have the computer, the cell phone, the mp3 player, the DVD player, the TV.

    I know this AND know that the minerals used to make these items are also mined out of Africa.  I also know the carbon footprint to make these items has an enormous price.

    And I heard it here

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/...

    No more new tech for me.

    I will vote for Obama, and every Democrat I can vote for, in 2012.

    by Food Gas Lodging on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 09:01:42 AM PST

    •  I'm guilty as well (5+ / 0-)

      But please understand its not just Apple. Foxconn produces electronics for many other US/Multinational companies.

      So what is the solution? Do without electronics? I dont believe that Apple charging $1000 for an iPhone is even realistic as stated in the video. The market would not bear that cost.

      •  Not a luddite either... (5+ / 0-)

        But, I don't believe I need to upgrade anymore, considering my daily tech needs.  

        I  know that if I lost or broke any of the items I have, that I can find similar tech 2nd hand.

        There's no need buy NEW.  Always buying new contributes to the problem.

        I will vote for Obama, and every Democrat I can vote for, in 2012.

        by Food Gas Lodging on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 09:34:17 AM PST

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      •  An iPhone built by decently paid workers... (9+ / 0-)

        ...would not cost anywhere near $1000 -- that's a chimera.

        The reality is that the actual assembly costs of that iPhone are infitesimal compared to the cost of the bill of materials.  An increase in the assembly costs would be far from the disaster that advocates of offshoring claim it to be.

        Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

        by TexasTom on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 05:45:49 PM PST

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      •  That's the same line of shit a different breed of (12+ / 0-)

        slavers trotted out again and again in the 1800's.

        Ending slavery was going to quadruple the cost of sugar in the British Empire.

        Slavery ended.  The price of sugar dropped by half in a decade.

        Ending slavery here was going to drive cotton prices so high we'd all have to go naked.

        Clothing prices plummeted in the 30 years after it ended.

        Ect.

        Fear is your only God.

        by JesseCW on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 07:00:21 PM PST

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      •  The issue isn't wages, it's supply chain (8+ / 0-)

        The article said that manufacturing paying US wages would increase the iPhone price by around $45, a small percentage of a $700 device. The reason that it's not made in the US is that the US has destroyed its ability to manufacture, so Apple couldn't hire enough industrial engineers to run the factory and manage production, and most of the suppliers are in China. So while Apple does design, software development, marketing, etc., in the US, the actual manufacturing is in China.

        That might sound OK, but when you think about it, Apple employs 40K people in the US, but Foxcon employs over 200K people in China just for Apple's manufacturing.

        While Apple is a catchy name to use in a story, I'd blame Walmart more - they move a near infinite volume of product, and they push their suppliers so hard on cost that they not only have to move manufacturing to China, but they actually force manufacturers to cut worker pay and benefits.

        Personally, I'm happy paying a bit more, knowing that the company is treating people a bit better.

        •  Thats the truth (1+ / 0-)
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          The reason that it's not made in the US is that the US has destroyed its ability to manufacture, so Apple couldn't hire enough industrial engineers to run the factory and manage production, and most of the suppliers are in China.

          And the reason China doesnt go to automation is two fold. They need the jobs for the massive workforce, and machines are not as flexible when changes are required quickly.

        •  Well, except that it's Apple that's promoting (0+ / 0-)

          human rights abuses in the piece. They aren't just part of it; they are actively campaigning on its behalf by saying there's no way around it, which is an abject lie. When Walmart promotes human rights abuses in the NYT, we should single them out, too.

          Apple put themselves out there as advocates for the system, and we should feel no compunctions about saying they're bumping the evil up another notch by doing so. They are asserting that the uniqueness of their product trumps all moral concerns. That's grotesque.

           None of that means that everyone else isn't also complicit in evil. But only Apple is telling us they're so fucking special that they're just too good for humane labor.

      •  GM builds competitively priced cars in America (0+ / 0-)

        So do Toyota, Honda, BMW, etc . . .

        The R does not stand for Republican.

        by Jack the R on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 09:56:46 AM PST

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